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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    I once heard an ENFJ say "...so my empathy allowed me to level back at her the exact pain she caused me. She deserved it, and though it hurt me to do it, I feel she's learned a valuable lesson about respecting the values of others."
    Ugh. NFs....so illogical. :steam:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blairvoyant View Post
    Ugh. NFs....so illogical. :steam:
    It is only illogical to rationality, not to emotional growth. Reciprocity of a lesson is useful in teaching people to be more careful with the feelings of others. This is especially useful against NTs who sometimes can lack the empathy to feel the repercussions of their logic based actions in a world filled with emotions. It only becomes wrong when the person instilling the lesson gives more pain then the student put out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    It is only illogical to rationality, not to emotional growth. Reciprocity of a lesson is useful in teaching people to be more careful with the feelings of others.
    The illogicality is the NF assuming the girl feels the same way he does. And how can one teach a good lesson, if the method of teaching isn't a good one.

    If she was an INTP, I bet she was internally laughing her ass off. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    It is only illogical to rationality, not to emotional growth. Reciprocity of a lesson is useful in teaching people to be more careful with the feelings of others. This is especially useful against NTs who sometimes can lack the empathy to feel the repercussions of their logic based actions in a world filled with emotions. It only becomes wrong when the person instilling the lesson gives more pain then the student put out.
    By teaching her to be more careful with the feelings of others, you're being insensitive to her own feelings of misanthropy.

    @Fluffywolf: And that :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    The illogicality is the NF assuming the girl feels the same way he does. And how can one teach a good lesson, if the method of teaching isn't a good one.
    The point of instilling the pain manually is that the NT DOESNT see things the same way, meaning obviously the reasoning for doing said thing to said NT is that they are out of tune with what they are doing to those around them. Ever try to reason with someone as to why they should or shouldn't feel something when they're not really emotional to boot? You cant logically reason feelings, they're an entirely different level. Logic deals with logic, feelings deal with feelings.

    Empathy is a feeling. No empathy? then well, humility to someones pride might suffice to mark their shame in a way they can really sink their teeth into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blairvoyant View Post
    By teaching her to be more careful with the feelings of others, you're being insensitive to her own feelings of misanthropy.

    @Fluffywolf: And that :P
    If she is a misanthrope she is talking to the wrong person, total humanist and I will manipulate if I have to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    The point of instilling the pain manually is that the NT DOESNT see things the same way, meaning obviously the reasoning for doing said thing to said NT is that they are out of tune with what they are doing to those around them. Ever try to reason with someone as to why they should or shouldn't feel something when they're not really emotional to boot? You cant logically reason feelings, they're an entirely different level. Logic deals with logic, feelings deal with feelings.

    Empathy is a feeling. No empathy? then well, humility to someones pride might suffice to mark their shame in a way they can really sink their teeth into.

    Humility of someones pride is often a one sided experience. Unless the person is willing to admit defeat, you can't touch their pride.

    On logic/logic, feeling/feeling bit. If we don't have some way of tempering our feelings, we would be at eachothers throats all day long, battling to the death. NT's prefer to use rationality to temper their feelings. Most other types use empathy and sympathy.

    This NF misuses empathy, however. He doesn't use it.

    This is also why NT's prefer rationality. Because empathy can be twisted around completely if you're forced in a bad mood. Especially if you lack the cognative function strengths to keep yourself in check when feeling down. NT's aren't know for having a very strong and stable use of Fe to boot, so in a way rationality is a neccesity for us, one could argue.

    Either way, just saying, it's a lot more complex than saying logic belongs to logic and feeling belongs to feeling.

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    Of course its more complex then that, but that doesn't mean it wrong. It takes rationality to know how much punishment to administer properly and without permanent harm to cause the right changes. But that rationality is behind the scenes, not actively forcing change.
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    To say that they are different spectrums doesn't seem right. Our thinking is more cohesive. Logic and feeling are, and will always be, inseparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    To say that they are different spectrums doesn't seem right. Our thinking is more cohesive. Logic and feeling are, and will always be, inseparable.
    Only in the sense that if me and you were locked in a room together for the rest of our lives we would be inseparable. Whatever the net history of the room is from then on would be a conglomeration of us existing in tandem. That doesn't mean we are the same.
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