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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    Or you could just mind your own damn business and leave the person to learn things in their own time and way, rather than being an irritating moral busy-body.

    Maybe forgiveness is a better lesson to teach someone, or example to set them, than "if they hurt you, hurt them back!"
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proximo View Post
    Or you could just mind your own damn business and leave the person to learn things in their own time and way, rather than being an irritating moral busy-body.

    Maybe forgiveness is a better lesson to teach someone, or example to set them, than "if they hurt you, hurt them back!"
    yeah usually thats the 1st thing we try, to let it go, forgive, dont worry about it etc, let them figure it out. Then their blatant ignorant disregard for other people keeps hurting said people more and more until something has to be done. Its funny in a way, the only other option in that case would be to doorslam said person instead. Which IMO is far more cruel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    You are taking a huge risk forcing someone to do something they don't wish to do.
    Yeah... and I bet if you talked to this "forcer", they'd say that freewill was one of their highest values... fucking hypocrites.
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    In essence you feel like you are giving up on them? However, this giving up might make them realize the problem they need to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    4 against 1... ouch.
    Could be 100 to 1, irrelevant. Esp. since those 4 are all NTs heh.
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    I'm just saying it's unlikely that you will be able to convince us that we are mistaken, if that is your goal. That's just how it appears right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    In essence you feel like you are giving up on them? However, this giving up might make them realize the problem they need to fix.
    Yeah if I had a choice between:

    1. someone I cared about taking the effort to help me realize I have been a douche and help me get back to where I should be, which is aware of my surroundings.

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    2. Everyone abandoning me and leaving me behind.

    well... yeah... I'd take 1. but I am also a silly NF and I value my relationships and connections to my loved ones and the people around me and that takes precedence over my pride and or privacy.
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    Hahaha! I like the tag at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    I'm just saying it's unlikely that you will be able to convince us that we are mistaken, if that is your goal. That's just how it appears right now.
    Oh I am certain its barely possible to change anyone mind, but that doesn't mean I don't get to toss my pov out there, who knows maybe it will spark a connection somewhere and start a chain reaction of thoughts that lead to a positive change... I dunno.
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