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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Why does it bother you if they're happy, though?
    Their happiness doesn't bother me.

    Their unhappiness does.

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    What's your reason for saying masculinity is singular? For one, it can be both wickedly spontaneous and sensual and sharply composed and cold in my experience.
    Masculinity is consciousness. Femininity is existence.

    Consciousness is unchanging. Femininity is always changing.

    Masculinity is the witness. Femininity is that which is witnessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    Ah, okay, I gotcha. I don't know that that's true with most NT women, though, as much as people want to start threads about how to spot them, etc. I think most would say I have a pretty overtly feminine exterior, and I get a lot of attention from men who react only to that.

    My problem has not been men who don't think I'm feminine enough. It's been that a lot of them don't challenge or interest me. They don't share my interests, or they think that looking good or having muscles is enough, or whatever.
    I find typically masculine men ARE attracted to me. Especially alpha types. Most disgust and/or bore me, either immediately or eventually.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    I find typically masculine men ARE attracted to me. Especially alpha types. Most disgust and/or bore me, either immediately or eventually.
    I find that uber-masculine men are attracted to "challenging" women, be that challenge a physical, mental, or fill-in-the-blank challenge.

    Uber-masculine men wan't to conquer a woman, especially a woman who seems impenetrable, (no pun intended ), to his advances.

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    To clarify, what I mean is that an immature masculine man will simply want what he can't have, he will try to get that which cannot be gotten in order to prove to himself that he's the shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I find that uber-masculine men are attracted to "challenging" women, be that challenge a physical, mental, or fill-in-th-blank challenge.

    Uber-masculine men wan't to conquer a woman, especially a woman who seems impenetrable, (no pun intended ), to his advances.

    Yeah, but this can simply be attraction to the challenge.

    I met an ESTJ on a plane once, and I was very intrigued with her from the start. She was a beautiful, strong black woman. Former model.

    Ended up dating her, and, as I got to know her, I came to realize I was not attracted to her. I thought she was beautiful, but her highly rational nature did not stir up attraction in me. She lacked that feminine flair that gets a (masculine) man going.

    It was a rather important learning lesson...

    Having dated an extremely irrational ESFP for a long time, I thought I wanted a more "rational" mate.

    Then I realized I'm not exactly attracted to women for their rationality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    To clarify, what I mean is that an immature masculine man human being will simply want what (s)he can't have, (s)he will try to get that which cannot be gotten in order to prove to himthemself that (s)he's the shit.

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    My INTP female best friend does happen to have troubles in the romantic relationship arena, as does my ESTJ sister, of course, these are simply two people neither necessarily indicative of the entire T-female population, but to be honest, both of these particular individuals have problems in all of their relationships. :/

    I'm an NF female and I have plenty-o-problems with men, so I'm not sitting on any high horse, here.

    But, as an intelligent, confident, learned woman, it is difficult to find a man who can handle me.

    I find that I am best suited for confident and highly intelligent men, these fellows don't seem threatened by my capacity to think freely and deeply for, and by, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    . She lacked that feminine flair that gets a (masculine) man going.
    Now, the question is....

    Are NT, or T females inherently less feminine than F females?

    I always joke with my INTP bf and say that we are equally yet differently masculine in our behavior.

    Her masculinity comes from her relative lack of social skills, and mine from, I dunno, my raunchy, loud-mouth, no shame in my game attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Having dated an extremely irrational ESFP for a long time, I thought I wanted a more "rational" mate.

    Then I realized I'm not exactly attracted to women for their rationality...
    Interesting realization, there.

    So, what are you attracted to, in women?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Interesting realization, there.

    So, what are you attracted to, in women?
    Femininity.

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