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    There's a couple of threads going around about depression and a common point raised by people a number of those who have experienced it is that they don't/didn't want to take any prescribed medication.

    Ignoring doctors apparent willingness to overmedicate, if you think it's good or bad, tell why?
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    *shrug* not gonna get shot, I want differing opinions that not everyone can agree with, because I want to see all different angles.

    I have a very cynical view of the doctor - drug company relationship. It doesn't invalidate the drug but it does cause me to question why doctors are so quick with that prescription paper and whether or not their quick and simple answer is right for their patient.

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    I was proscribed Lexapro as well. I stopped after two months because I noticed a general numbness. "Hey kids, you're lighting a fire in the living room? Oh, okay."

    I don't usually take asprin for headaches or cold medicine for colds. I like to rely on my bodies own ability to heal naturally.

    I did read an interesting article in I think it was Time Magazine (which I don't usually read) discussing how depression played a major role in many great leaders lives (Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill to name a couple). And how depression serves a natural function in our lives forcing us to slow down and become introspective. It argued that perhaps these men might not have been the great leaders they were if they had been drugged up and forced to ignore their depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiddykat View Post
    In response to what he said, I asked, "What you're saying is- it's more for profit?" His response- "You bet. It's the name of the game." I said, "It's people's lives we're dealing with here!!" He reply, "It's business." I felt like choking after hearing that.
    ^ exactly, it is a business, therefore I believe patients need to educate themselves and not rely on the fact that they've been given permission to get a drug because it is marketed to help. It may do more harm.


    Quote Originally Posted by Windigo View Post
    I did read an interesting article in I think it was Time Magazine (which I don't usually read) discussing how depression played a major role in many great leaders lives (Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill to name a couple). And how depression serves a natural function in our lives forcing us to slow down and become introspective. It argued that perhaps these men might not have been the great leaders they were if they had been drugged up and forced to ignore their depression.
    Ignoring depression through drugs isn't something I'd ever consider healthy, it may provide a respite but it's not the long term answer. If numbness to the point where nothing is dealt with is a side effect then the whole thing sounds terrible although not everyone has the disposition to succeed at life while depressed.

    The topic here of the benefits of depression is interesting, personally I view depression as a sign that something isn't right and therefore changes need to be made, only issue with that is someone dealing with depression isn't often going to be in the right kind of head space to do so. Which is where the topic of drugs: good or bad, comes in. Do they help or hinder that process. My answer to that is I have no freaken idea.

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    I'm not generally anti-medication for depression. However, I deliberately avoid taking any anti-depressants myself, despite having PTSD symptoms and various mental health issues.

    I've taken anti-depressants twice in my life (both times one of the old-style ones rather than the new SSRIs). Once when I was 15 and I wasn't told beforehand what the medication was. I mentioned to my mother after a couple of weeks that I was feeling more up and she mentioned that is was supposed to have that effect. So I immediately stopped taking it because a) I hadn't been given the option of an informed choice and b) I loathed and detested the thought that my emotions were being manipulated by drugs. I wanted to be me even if that meant I often felt miserable.

    The second in my twenties for pain relief and at a tiny fraction of the therapeutic dose. It turned me into a brain dead zombie and I was so out of it that I didn't realise how out of it I was til I came off the drugs a few months later. I nearly got kicked out of grad school because it affected my performance way too much.

    I also tried St John's Wort to reduce anxiety in my late twenties/early thirties. That also, in hindsight, deadened me greatly and I regretted having taken it for several years.

    I have had anti-depressants suggested to me by several therapists over the past few years but my reaction has always been hell no. I'm aware that my mental health issues are not a simple chemical imbalance; they're purely to do with experiences I had as a child and an adult. edit: I also refuse to take the risk of being so completely non-functional on even a low dose of anti-depressants. I don't want to risk losing my job from it.

    However, if someone chooses to take anti-depressants, I don't have a problem with it. If they don't combine it with talking therapy or some other working through their personal issues, though, I do tend to think they're only applying a bandaid solution to the problem.

    With anti-anxiolytic drugs, I'm much more ambivalent. I personally think (from personal experience with severe anxiety issus) that anxiety is much better dealt with by facing up to emotional problems. IMO anxiety tends to be caused by some emotion that's been buried/not dealt with. Plus I've found that reducing caffeine and sugar intake signficantly helps my background anxiety levels.
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    I really don't have much experience personally with just plain depression... though I am close to some who have... I'm not sure if my type of depression CAN be controlled by changing my thinking or something, but it can be by changing my lifestyle, which I find makes a much greater difference than any of the meds that I've taken. Anything that I've taken has tended to make me feel dead... like a zombie or something... but I've never reacted well with any drugs...

    I remember the first time of experiencing a form of depression... a deep psychotic depression is always a happy greeting to bipolar disorder! I'd hear voices telling me that I deserved to be miserable or dead... or worse yet I'd see people who I'd loved who were dead telling me the same thing- my days were either spent parked on the couch in a half asleep stupor watching food network or trying to drink myself senseless... and it wasn't helping much. After getting in a car accident (while sober) and completely shutting down for 24 hours I quit sleeping... which was scary and what finally prompted me to go to the doctor. I was prescribed an antidepressant.

    It took away the sharp feelings of anything, but the feelings of deadness made me more miserable- the recurring thought of "is THIS what I have to look forward to from now on? feeling EMPTY?"... finally I convinced them to prescribe me sleeping meds and I ditched the antidepressants. Getting a good night's sleep was wonderful... it didn't cure everything by any means, but it at least made me feel hopeful!

    So antidepressants didn't work for me, but I'm certainly not against prescription drugs being used for treatment- I just think that most doctors are close minded about the options that they have for treatment and only look at the most obvious ones
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    over medicating is reckless.

    that's my take on it. what more do you need. if the medical establishment had to pay their patients when unable to restore their full health to them then they might have a different attituted in wanting to treat their patients.

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    I used to be one of those people that decided to quit taking medication, but when I'm on medication, although I do feel sort of brain dead and zombie like, I'd rather feel that way than feel completely hopeless and I'd most certainly rather feel zombied out than hurt my family with things I do during manic episodes.

    However I no longer take SSRIs, they just mostly induced manic symptoms for me. I take an anti convulsant that functions as a mood stabilizer and an anti-depressant and I take an anti-psychotic. My life overall is much better than it is when i'm not medicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    There's a couple of threads going around about depression and a common point raised by people a number of those who have experienced it is that they don't/didn't want to take any prescribed medication.

    Ignoring doctors apparent willingness to overmedicate, if you think it's good or bad, tell why?
    1) Okay. you took one of my reasons away...

    2) Seems there are more and more studies all the time questioning the effifacy of these things. The latest one I saw found that only one quarter of people treated with anti-depressents fared better than those on placebo. Doesn't seem that effective most of the time.

    3) I've had doubts for a long time that I actually have clinical depression. I think something is wrong, but sadness does not equal clinical depression, and the depression criteria never seemed quite right for me. Unless you take the broadest criteria, but frankly the broadest criteria seems to encompass the majority of human beings and would overlap/create comorbidity with like, 50 other disorders, so I think it's pretty damn questionable.

    4) I surprise people with how rarely I take pain killers. This is a part of the way I choose to deal with life. I don't want a chemical crutch. If I have a problem, I went to be conscious of it, and I want to learn how to deal with it without a chemical dependency. I will probably push for that goal as far as I can. I'd have to face a crushing to defeat to be convinced otherwise.

    5) Time and money. I have a lot of negative feelings over all the things I need to get done, and what I think I'm not getting done. I've also been worried about money (which is perfectly realistic given my situation). The more time and money I pitch into this, the more I'm adding to those problems. I think it would ironically make me feel worse. Resources I precious, and I have better things to do with them.
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