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    A friend, whom I suspect is an INTP, told me this:

    "Much of what we like don't really have any practical use. I mean, Philosophy? Haha! Spirituality? Hahahahaha! I mean, sure, we do like writing, but there's no such thing as a writing industry. What we like, we can only do as a recreation. But to make a career out out of it? At some point, we'll just have to suck it up."

    Great piece of advice from him. Him, being someone who hasn't heard of MBTI and didn't have the time to explore his Ne and Ti, unlike us MBTI people, who have, at some point, devoted time understanding who we are using MBTI as a template, even losing more the little traces of practicality that we have.

    I'm not saying that he's necessarily a very well rounded character though. He still have those stereotypical INTP flaws (like being comparatively short tempered and more pricky than me. Being ENTP, I'm more easy going than him). It's interesting to note that he's able to endure 4 years in the Business Process Outsourcing Industry (the industry that has all the corporate bullsh*t imaginable).

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    I was just thinking that, instead of the usual articles where preferred careers (often idealistic) for each NP type is listed online, wouldn't a "coping up" advice seem more realistic and practical? Most of us NPs will never ever get to have that full chance to explore our passion anyway.

    The tricky part is this. Most of NPs lived an SJ life/environment. NPs are the types that get hurt the most by the SJ environment. Often times, they end up resenting it, probably using MBTI as an online haven. Except maybe for the ENxPs who have outlets to make them more perky, and less depressed.

    But my INTP friend has a point. At some point, we go back to being SJ, again.

    My question is, just how do you do it? How do you go back to something you've resented, and cope again?

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    Yeah well you could say writing has little practical value, but then you could say that about science, building etc. Why do we need houses. We could justlive like animals and we'd still survive. We just wouldn't have the life and culture we oh so enjoy.

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    My INTP has sort of found a niche in a (probably) SP dominated field. It allows for a reasonable amount of autonomy and not having to deal directly with management/office politics. His level of comparative conscientious shines and wins him automatic brownie points with the powers that be, which is nice for job security.

    The job not something he's passionate about but it's bearable. Few things suck more than being perpetually in financial crisis, which is a pretty strong motivating factor for sucking it up.
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    This NP knows sucking it up well, a girls got to eat, and I rather like having a nice warm bed to sleep in.
    However nice little forays into other fields seems to help break up the damage of the soul destroying corperate enviroment, and trying to create a life outside of the current hell hole helps too.
    It's a bummer trying to fit into a world that barely tolerates your characteristics, but I want to go to Nepal next year may be as a VSA, and I need Mulah to do it with.
    Currently submerged under an avalanche of books and paper work. I may come back up for air from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    This NP knows sucking it up well, a girls got to eat, and I rather like having a nice warm bed to sleep in.
    However nice little forays into other fields seems to help break up the damage of the soul destroying corperate enviroment, and trying to create a life outside of the current hell hole helps too.
    It's a bummer trying to fit into a world that barely tolerates your characteristics, but I want to go to Nepal next year may be as a VSA, and I need Mulah to do it with.

    My one over-riding principle has always been "money will not make me happy". I would bet this is a common sentiment for NP types. Not meaning that I want to take a vow of poverty, but I absolutely will turn down an oil-industry job (having had offers) which makes twice as much as probably the max I'll ever make in academia, because the latter will be far more fulfilling and more than adequate for my material needs.

    I do enjoy travel, particularly getting off my particular continent, but I find that by living simply these are not out of reach even as a graduate student.

    But (and this may be my J/P dichotomy speaking) I always, ALWAYS, have back-up plans. If I don't get a post-doc, I'll become an instructor for a year, if not that, I'll teach high school, if not that, I'll work for a friend's company as a programmer, etc, etc. I've been poor long enough to know how easy it is to get into trouble without plans.

    But selling my soul to the corporate world? Absolutely f**king not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hilo View Post
    My one over-riding principle has always been "money will not make me happy". I would bet this is a common sentiment for NP types. Not meaning that I want to take a vow of poverty, but I absolutely will turn down an oil-industry job (having had offers) which makes twice as much as probably the max I'll ever make in academia, because the latter will be far more fulfilling and more than adequate for my material needs.

    I do enjoy travel, particularly getting off my particular continent, but I find that by living simply these are not out of reach even as a graduate student.

    But (and this may be my J/P dichotomy speaking) I always, ALWAYS, have back-up plans. If I don't get a post-doc, I'll become an instructor for a year, if not that, I'll teach high school, if not that, I'll work for a friend's company as a programmer, etc, etc. I've been poor long enough to know how easy it is to get into trouble without plans.

    But selling my soul to the corporate world? Absolutely f**king not.
    It's not so bad, but I'm a public servant. At least I'm not working for a pharmaceutical company.
    Currently submerged under an avalanche of books and paper work. I may come back up for air from time to time.
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    In a certain sense, this has been "the biggest battle of my life". I have had about 11 different jobs since I was 16. I've done well in everything I've undertaken (began to move up the ladder and then people were shocked when I decided to leave), but I absolutely refuse to let go of my passion and my dreams. What I'm saying is that it is a reality that we live mostly in an SJ world and that I have certainly had to hold down jobs in that arena (and I'm currently working in SJ world as well) in order to make ends meet. But, I continue to plug away and make progress on the bigger picture (owning multiple businesses). Anything other than my businesses is simply a stepping stone. I WILL NOT be pwned by SJ world.

    I believe that it's imperative that we all do the thing(s) that we are passionate about. I believe that I have a personal responsibility to put my unique talents into the mix - into the world - and to do so in an arena that I'm passionate about. Simply put, it is my responsibility to be true to who I am - both for myself and for the benefit of others. If I "cave in" to SJ world, I'm depriving people of *something* - whether it be beautifully written music that I could have written, an organization that gives back to the community, etc, etc (the list could go on forever depending on individual talents - we all have them). Not to mention, if I cave into SJ world permanently, then I myself won't be happy and I'll probably be less effective as a father/husband and all of that fun stuff.

    SJ world is a reality. It exists and I can't deny that. I continue to play the game, but I never lose sight of what I'm here to do. Simply put, I've got one life to live and I'm not *going out* on someone else's terms - I'm going out scratching and clawing and being true to who I am the whole way. Refuse to lose!
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    By the way, it's not like INTP's aren't capable of carrying out whatever they desire to do in life. INTP's are extremely capable folks. It's a matter of "tapping into" that talent/passion and running with it.

    Most INTP's can do extremely well at anything they put their mind to and if they believe in themselves. I'll say it again: anything an INTP desires to do, he can do it. I think there's something deep down inside of all of us that knows this is true. Someone the other day (I think it was an ENTP) said on these forums, "When I bring my "A" game, the world better watch out!" It's a matter of caring about something enough, wanting bad enough to make a difference, that you're going to go out and get it - and who cares what people think. It may not be something that is entirely mainstream, it may not be something that "most people" would do or even that most people are capable of. But, if you care about it and it gets your juices flowing and you're good at it, there's nothing to stop an INTP from being extremely successful and happy in life. Some of the things I'm pursuing people say, "Good luck with that." I've even heard, "What the hell makes you think you can pull that off?"

    Thing is, who are they to say what my capabilities are? I'm sorry if I'm capable of doing things that you can't. Just because you don't believe you can do it, doesn't mean that I don't believe I can do it. That's what you have to fight. Don't let other people tell you what you can and cannot do. Live your life with spunk and energy and passion - do what you love and what you're good at. But, still be true to who you are. I'm an introvert and I need "down time" to recharge my batteries. That's just a fact and a reality. But, I work with that "limitation" (if that's what you want to call it). I recharge and then I go right back to it!
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Like others said before in this thread. I have to have a job. I've been unemployed for a couple of months last year and I f*cking hated it. I don't ever want to be unemployed in my life. Now that I do have a job again, I want to try and find a way to make money doing stuff I like more than my current job, but I won't quit my job until I've found another sure-fire way to make money and spend time.
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    Um, writing is definitely a career. Have you ever heard of a thing called television? Or music? or movies? or novels? wtf???

    My INTP is a writer of in-depth analyses. I write, as well. For film.

    Of course, being super Ne fueled, I also do a million other things. If you hustle, you can always make money doing what you love. I've done the corporate thing, which is just as pointless as any other career. When I realized that it's all arbitrary, I just decided to do what I wanted to do. And I've made just as much money as I did when I was in a suit. It's all in the hustle.

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