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    Quote Originally Posted by forzen View Post
    Ok, I don't get it. Can you explain it so a non-math genius like me can understand? I'm not familiar with probability so I don't see where you're coming from.

    I was under the impression that you can divide your troops by

    2/3 | 1/2 | 1/6

    to get the majority.
    Err.. 2/3 + 1/2 + 1/6 > 1...

    No Maths scholar, but here's what I remember from my high school lessons

    Ok, let's assume you spread your army 1/4 : 1/4 : 1/2 is A,B,C

    You win A if your opponent's army there is <= 1/4
    You win B if your opponent's army there is <= 1/4
    You win C if your opponent's army there is <= 1/2

    So...the probability that you win A & B is the probability that your opponent's army at A <= 1/4 and B <=1/4

    Since your opponent is random, the probability of each combination he chooses is equal...that is the probability of him setting his army 1/4:1/4:1/2 is the same as the probability of 1/3:1/3:1/3. In other words, 1/(total possible combinations). From there you should be able to calculate the total combinations where A <= 1/4 and B <= 1/4. And from there, the probabilities
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    Quote Originally Posted by William K View Post
    Err.. 2/3 + 1/2 + 1/6 > 1...

    No Maths scholar, but here's what I remember from my high school lessons

    Ok, let's assume you spread your army 1/4 : 1/4 : 1/2 is A,B,C

    You win A if your opponent's army there is <= 1/4
    You win B if your opponent's army there is <= 1/4
    You win C if your opponent's army there is <= 1/2

    So...the probability that you win A & B is the probability that your opponent's army at A <= 1/4 and B <=1/4

    Since your opponent is random, the probability of each combination he chooses is equal...that is the probability of him setting his army 1/4:1/4:1/2 is the same as the probability of 1/3:1/3:1/3. In other words, 1/(total possible combinations). From there you should be able to calculate the total combinations where A <= 1/4 and B <= 1/4. And from there, the probabilities
    Haha, yah i saw that after I saw my original answer on top. I was thinking you have to win 2/3 of the time and wrote that instead of 1/3 . Damn, I don't even remember what I did in math in high school.

    Ok I get where your coming from now, the equation kind of confused me. Domo arigato gozaimasu.
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    Haven't done any calculations, but my gut feel is that 0:1/2:1/2 would give the best results...
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    Alright, so I've spent some time running this puzzle through my mind, and I've found a definite, 100%, win/win scenario.

    Firstly, let's review the errors in logic:

    - THE ERROR OF 'NOT REALLY INFINITY BUT STILL KINDA LIKE IT'

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGray View Post
    You are the general of an army of essentially infinite numbers. The opposing general has an army equally as massive.
    a) The first error and most obvious error, is found in the OPs use of the term 'essentially infinite'.

    - Infinite numbers cannot be divided, otherwise the number divided will be infinite as well.

    - It is impossible to subtract anything from infinity and come to something less than infinity; e.g., if you take one banana away from an infinite number of bananas, the number of remaining bananas is infinite.

    >>> Thus, dividing a certain amount of troops to conquer and having all of your troops killed is logically impossible; all possibilities result in an infinite battle. Of course, the OP tried to correct the flaw, but it failed harder than Bill Clinton on his wedding night.

    b) It's motherfucking infinite.

    - It's infinite, motherfucker.


    - THE ERROR OF RANDONIMOTYINOMITY

    The opposing general uses no strategy and distributes his troops randomly.
    a) It is obvious that you're fighting some imbecile of a warlord, as he randomly sends his troops out to die. (not that their deaths matter, as there is an infinite number) This raises a few questions:

    - How did this dumbshit of a warlord come into power?

    - How does he keep the economy and people under his control?

    - Where do they live, as the universe might not be able to contain an infinte amount of people.

    - Etc.

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    Yet, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF SUCH OVERWHELMING ODDS I've arrived at a DEFINITE CONCLUSION:



    IT'S MOTHERFUCKING DELICIOUS!!!!
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    This makes no sense... If the troops are infinite, how can you divide them?
    Aha! That's a sensible lad. Now, might I bring our attention to something much more meaningful to the mathematics, philosophy, and physics communities? This is the disjunction that infinity and quantitative distinction cannot be postulated to both exist at the same time in any objective sense; for the objective validity of the one would negate that of the other and vice versa. The sequence of reasoning is something like the following.

    If the universe is infinitely expanding, then dividing it into quantitatively distinct parts is illusory for the same reason it makes little sense to divide troops if they are infinite. Since such an endeavor would preclude quanta from being discovered and distinguisheable, it follows that quanta is the necessary creation of a limited earthbound mind, which breaks the world up into discrete parts for convenience, but is not an accurate representation of the world as it is. If, on the other hand, quantitative distinctions of the universe are objective, then this necessitates that the universe is finite rather than infinite; for only in a finite world could quantity take on meaning. In that case, it is infinity that is necessarily created by the mind.

    It is no small coincidence that maintaining that the universe is infinite lends to the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics and its intense focus on the observer--i.e. creator. For quantum mechanics without the observer means the universe is not infinite and that would contradict many of the long-esteemed beliefs of our pop scientists.

    Now, should quantum physicists get out of their dogmatic slumber and one day get it right by embracing Karl Popper's notion of quantum mechanics without the observer, and stop misconstruing Heisenberg's principle as precluding the possibility of measuring movement and position rather than as a statistical scatter, this, it seems, would not be entirely without consequence.

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    We got some physics going on in here!!! WOOT WOOT!
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Throwing the first fight seems logical and then dividing into half your armies for the last two, because even if the opponent throws one opponent into the first fight you automatically win, but this is only strategically speaking, in other words... I agree with others before this post.

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    Infinity divided by infinity would equal to one, oh snap! Besides the concept of infinity in the problem is an inference which successfully caused MM's mind to asplode. We know that it's stating people and there is a limited amount of people in the world. So all we have to do is divide the total amount of people in the world in half (if it's odd, that unlucky soul would be first blood and would be used to rationalize the war) and use that number to compute the data. Unfortunately, that sounds like too much work. But, if you treat this problem like an abstract question, infinity would own your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forzen View Post
    Infinity divided by infinity would equal to one, oh snap!
    Infinity works a little bit different from numbers such as 3 or 4.

    Check this out: WikiAnswers - Does infinity divided by infinity equal
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    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
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    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    Infinity works a little bit different from numbers such as 3 or 4.

    Check this out: WikiAnswers - Does infinity divided by infinity equal
    Yes, I know what infinity stands for, obviously if you have infinite amount of people you would not even have a battle field to even work with. Infinity is an abstract idea in math. Trying to intergrate it in real life concept such as the probability question in this thread would give you no solution. However, it is used quite often in the concept of limits as a way to replace infinitesimal.

    It is also the reason why I wonder how DC was able to reduce an infinite amount of universes in "Crisis on Infinite Earths" storyline to just 52 universes.

    "You are the general of an army of essentially infinite numbers. The opposing general has an army equally as massive."

    "Since infinity is not a set number, you cannot assume that infinity divided by infinity would equal one. Infinity could be 1 or it could be 9 trillion, the number is not set in stone."

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