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[MBTI General] Society's FP/TJ Stereotype

Invisiblemonkey

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Hello, I've noticed that society's general expectations are that all Fs be Ps and that all Ts be Js, any advice on getting past that in any given areas? That is, functioning in a logical manner in a loose situation that expects feeling of you. Although this edit is most likely made while blind to a few replies, I'd also like to use this form to discuss the reasons for said stereotype.
 

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i've never really thought about that. how exactly have you felt that?
 

Invisiblemonkey

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People seem to see either a "Vulcan" mentality, or a "Free Spirit" Mentality, and never leave any room for something like an "Odd Intellectual" or "Driven Planner" type of person. Sorry about the "Driven Planner" description, I couldn't think of any other way to hypothetically describe the concept of xxFJ
 

tcda

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I've never noticed those stereotypes personally.
 

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yeah i don't see it either...you find it confuses people that you're a logical easy going person?
 

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yeah i don't see it either...you find it confuses people that you're a logical easy going person?

I've never noticed those stereotypes personally.

People seem to see either a "Vulcan" mentality, or a "Free Spirit" Mentality, and never leave any room for something like an "Odd Intellectual" or "Driven Planner" type of person. Sorry about the "Driven Planner" description, I couldn't think of any other way to hypothetically describe the concept of xxFJ

i've never really thought about that. how exactly have you felt that?

I see what the OP is saying. I'll put in reverse though to make more sense:

"If you're very J...people assume you must be T"
"If you're very P...people assume you must be F"

I think people do often make these assumptions (coming from an XXFJ male). I'm guessing these assumptions exist because our culture likes to think of F as the irrational and scattered cognition, and that T is the orderly cognition. I also think that one of the criticisms of MBTI was that F and P, T and J were found to not be "statistically independent" variables like E/I were. Doesnt that just beg the question though: "what if FP and TJ are just more common, yet still independent????"
 

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Think psycho pass or parasyte
 

1010830

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Most of society doesn't know of the MBTI to start with.
But regardless, Ts are associated with Js because people misthink T means planning ahead, and F means being able to "perceive" feeligns.
 

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F means being able to "perceive" feeligns.

Eh? What does that have to do with a supposed "FP" stereotype? FJ types can also be very adept at reading feelings.
 

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Eh? What does that have to do with a supposed "FP" stereotype? FJ types can also be very adept at reading feelings.

You are misinterpreting my grammar.
I said people misunderstand F to be correlated with P because they think F means to "perceive feelings".
I did not said F is always related to P.
What part of it did you not understand?
 

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You are misinterpreting my grammar.
I said people misunderstand F to be correlated with P because they think F means to "perceive feelings".
I did not said F is always related to P.
What part of it did you not understand?

I'm not understanding why you think people would correlate perceiving something with MBTI's perception. The two are different concepts. I am not misinterpreting your grammar.
 

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I'm not understanding why you think people would correlate perceiving something with MBTI's perception. The two are different concepts. I am not misinterpreting your grammar.

I think people will correlate feeling with perceiving because I suppose there's a stereotype that surrounds feelers that they are down to the moment, like perceivers, while thinkers will be correlated with judging because people think judging and thinking can be the same. It's that simple. I am merely in agreement with OP's point of view. Any questions?
 

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I think people will correlate feeling with perceiving because I suppose there's a stereotype that surrounds feelers that they are down to the moment, like perceivers, while thinkers will be correlated with judging because people think judging and thinking can be the same. It's that simple. I am merely in agreement with OP's point of view. Any questions?
I'm just confused here. Perceiving and judging do not mean what you are describing them to mean.

Secondly, OP is talking about in general society, not the MBTI community. I don't understand how people would have such a concept of perceiving and judging to begin with when they have never heard of MBTI.
 
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