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    Senior Member Nonsensical's Avatar
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    What if a Js agenda is to create chaos and raise hell? And he succeeds. Just because he messed up the order of things doesn't make him anymore or less of a J, and certainly not a P.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    I know. That's what I'm saying. They initiate things. P's react to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodgrief View Post
    I know. That's what I'm saying. They initiate things. P's react to them.
    Yeah right, as if we Ps can't take initiative. The main difference is methodical/planning versus chaotic/improvising.

    A J can seem chaotical, but he never(*) is.
    (*) I'm talking extremes here, of course. Which seem common in fiction.

    The typical J villain is the one who is helpless when something breaks down his meticulous plans, and who reacts to this by making his next plan even more detailed.

    I think J heroes are more common in those educational stories... and the Ps in the escape fantasy. But I'm certainly not advocating this as a rule, just as a observation. On the contrary... the heroine in my last fantasy novel was an ESTJ. (Next one is INTP with ENTP villain)
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    Interesting thread. I attempted to come up with a J hero, other than Superman, and I could only come up with Picard from Star Trek and maybe...Sanjuro from Yojimbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post

    A J can seem chaotical, but he never(*) is.
    (*) I'm talking extremes here, of course. Which seem common in fiction.
    Super true!

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