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    Ok, we always debate what the definition of intelligence means. But, can someone tell me what the exact definition of stupid is? I mean I thought this person in my class was off the chain when he made an argument that "music" shouldn't have to empty your wallet because everyone has the right to be inspire and be creative. And he added, having no money shouldn't get in the way of a person's creative drive or the chance for a musician to change a person's life through his or her music. He closed it off by saying that he doesn't see anything wrong with pirating music from the internet and actually help the artist by getting their messages across that the artist made the music for. I almost told him to stop advocating for free music but instead advocate for free food, because without food we can't be inspire or be creative because we'll simply be dead. I mean that is a bigger issue, because why should i have to go broke for basic neccessity that will help me be inspire and be creative.

    Then I took a deep breath and simply put myself on his shoes (not too long) and I realized he was just looking through his perspective. I'm guessing he is an idealist and got his logic using his emotion which I believe is as viable as logical reasoning (he would still get arrested if I was the FBI since he didn't consider other people's perspective). And there's learning capability, we know there are various learning styles like auditory, visual, and kinetic which dictate a person who is slow at one type of learning style might be awesome in another. It's all how we prefer to take in informations and what information we want to take in.

    So in my opinion, there's no such thing as a stupid person. It's more accurate to state that a person is ignorant or close minded about a subject. But, can someone tell me who is not bias about any subject one way or another?

    So I don't know, I would like to think I have an average IQ...so could someone educate me where my logic is failing me, because I don't really know any stupid people.
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    A stupid person is just one who can't figure out how to do whatever it is that his functions need to be fulfilled...he still wants the same things other people of that type want; he just can't wield his functions effectively enough to get them.
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    Let's not talk about emotional intelligence here, but just about intelligence, okay? We all know NTs are on the bottom of the EQ scale. The question is whether if they can be "stupid" in the usual sense of the word.

    To me, the answer is yes. Just because you like and value logic and abstract thinking doesn't mean you're good at it. Probably stupid NTs think they are smart, which makes them even stupider. Mr. Kranky (George's marvellous medicine, Roald Dahl) is a stupid ENTP. I don't know if there are more examples...

    Personally, I often have the impression I'm hitting against the limits of my brain. I can't understand things immediately, I can't grasp concepts as fast and as fully as I want to... I've encountered people who are smarter than I am, I've encountered people who are stupider than I am.
    To me, intelligence is a resource a person can use, refine, add to (I'm certain a person can become more intelligent),... and NTs love to work with that resource. Some people just have more fruitful beginning than others.
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    Yes, they can be stupid. Being an NT just means you tend to prefer considering the world in certain ways; it's quite possible to be bad at them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    A stupid person is just one who can't figure out how to do whatever it is that his functions need to be fulfilled...he still wants the same things other people of that type want; he just can't wield his functions effectively enough to get them.
    That leaves alot of room for misinterpretation. Want/needs are different from the ability to process informations. The means to get the "need" might correlate to a person's ability to gather data/facts and process accordingly to successfully get the desired result to fulfill the function's need. However, you must consider outside varibles that are ultimately out of the individual's control. So, failure doesn't neccessary mean "stupid" in my opinion.
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    Hmmm ok, that's a fair point, but any cognitive style can be approached well or poorly. If you've never met any stupid NTs you should feel lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    Probably stupid NTs think they are smart, which makes them even stupider.
    This is especially infuriating with...well, every NT type.
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    What I mean by stupid is, well it's hard to explain. Someone who who can not understand fairly simple systems and principles, regardless of how hard they try. I was thinking about this because I was told that type has no effect on intelligence, but I have never met an NT who was not at least fairly intelligent in terms of what I've discussed, and even some questions on MBTI tests seem to involve intelligence, such as "You easily understand new theoretical principles Y/N."

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodgrief View Post
    I know type is supposed to have little effect on intelligence, and I know not all NTs are supergenius's. But seriously, with N giving innovation, abstract thinking, forward thinking and seeing patterns and T giving logical planned decisions and ideals based mostly on what's rational, how can someone honestly be dumb?
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    There is an admirable economy to questions that provide their own answer.
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