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    Anyway, the major flaw of a system designed to rate intelligence is that equating intelligence to iq to a too high degree would only be a proper move if you created a species based on some requirements, then such benchmarks would apply if you took the position of the 'outside observer' (because obviously you can't really have that).

    But evolution just doesn't work that way, there's no goal to it:what works just does.
    Which's why even though all humans brains are all in all very similar, they're still different enough to fuck up any attempt to define virtual absolutes such as intelligence

    We should just give up that word and call tests for what is tested, not intelligence but this and that type of problem solving based on n constraints
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Yeah, but he had the huge advantage of being an entp

    btw, what are the sources for feynmann.?
    I find that when I dig into it, alot of such data don't have any real basis.
    Sourced WIKI reference for Feynman's IQ.

    Definitely food for thought: there's no way that based on what IQ claims to measure that he "really is" 125. I'd be interested in his other standardized test scores (e.g., whatever passed for SATs in those days) for comparison. I'd suspect a very strong math and perhaps an average/weak verbal, perhaps.
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    thanks

    I'd suspect a very strong math and perhaps an average/weak verbal, perhaps.
    yeah that was my first thought too

    I think by the way, that alot of the 'estimated iqs' of historical figures is bullshit, they assume a too high correlation between specific gifts and general intelligence. Einstein for example had a clear gift as spatial thinking, but does it have to mean that he had 160 iq?
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    Or take René Descartes. Even though he had his iq estimated at 185 and sure had a gift for mathematics, when you look at his philosophy it's just, baffling that anybody would publish that garbage. In fact I suspect they wouldn't have if it wasn't for the period's (and still lively) confirmation bias relating to the good old 'I'm special /have a soul/whatever' wishful thinking.

    He made unexplained assumptions just after describing how he only bases his philosophy on how he only uses what he can be sure of knowing (such as the "cogito ergo sum").

    The logical construction of his arguments was often lacking and how often he missed major holes in his arguments was just comical if quickly repetitive.
    That's not superior intelligence, that's specialisation at the cost of general intelligence
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    Sourced WIKI reference for Feynman's IQ.

    Definitely food for thought: there's no way that based on what IQ claims to measure that he "really is" 125. I'd be interested in his other standardized test scores (e.g., whatever passed for SATs in those days) for comparison. I'd suspect a very strong math and perhaps an average/weak verbal, perhaps.
    I reckon he won by a huge margin the math olympics (NYC math olympics if I remember correctly), thus I suppose he did have a skewed distribution among his "types of intelligence".
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    The logical construction of his arguments was often lacking and how often he missed major holes in his arguments was just comical if quickly repetitive.
    That's not superior intelligence, that's specialisation at the cost of general intelligence
    Mathematics and philosophy have a great deal in common because both subjects deals with abstract problems that can often be solved without an appeal to a great deal of empirical observation. Many mathematicians have taken an interest in philosophy, yet when they tried to write philosophy, what they came up with turned out incoherent. Descartes was not a rare case.
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    math doesn't equal performance iq (or however u call it in english)
    These tests are mostly spatial, and yes, it is correlated but relation isn't identity
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Mathematics and philosophy have a great deal in common because both subjects deals with abstract problems that can often be solved without an appeal to a great deal of empirical observation. Many mathematicians have taken an interest in philosophy, yet when they tried to write philosophy, what they came up with turned out incoherent. Descartes was not a rare case.
    Maths are a more tamed system, I'm simplifying here but, you have everything you need when u do maths, you don't need to have as great of a capacity to connect and make up concepts based on a very wide range of types of information and methods.
    Maths are more linear, and you just can't think of everything and include it into a concept in a narrow linear fashion, you're bound to miss alot of elements, or treat your philosophy as an equation where you expect the result before doing the thinking.
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    We're still arguing over IQ's I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Yeah, but he had the huge advantage of being an entp

    btw, what are the sources for feynmann.?
    I find that when I dig into it, alot of such data don't have any real basis.
    i've seen it tossed about a few times, but all i can find atm is a biography that wikipedia (don't shoot!!) makes reference to. Gleick, James (1992), Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman

    either way, probably a good read.

    [edit] it'd be funny if true though... proving that entps need not necessarily be stellar geniuses. just highly intelligent -enough to test what Ne just pulled out of the ENTPs ass.

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