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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    curious...without fi how to you come to determine how you feel on such things as capital punishment or abortion?

    example me?
    I think on another thread someone pointed out that you might "think" you have an opinion, then get into a sticky situation and find out how you really feel (one guy bravely exampled that he was anti-abortion up until getting his gf preggers. ha).

    Personally, using abortion as an example because it does seem rather polarizing, I used to be anti, thanks to religious up-bringing. Once I lost religiosity, I had no external frame so I became ambivalent (it might be right in some cases, wrong in others). Now I would say I'm pro-choice, because I don't feel wrong about the idea in general. So perhaps that is an Fi-based judgment.

    I guess my prevailing assumption has been that I have feelings, but do not know them. Is it valid to say, because I did action X I must feel this way? This seems like using Ti again.


    Another thread asked if there were any beliefs you would die for (trying to get at someone's core beliefs). Of course, one of my favorite quotes for years was Russell's "I would never die for my beliefs, because I might be wrong"

    Part of my fear of Fi judgments is because (perhaps this is P nature) I am concerned that they are either fickle, or ill-judged. I like person A one minute, the next I don't. I want this outcome, wait, no I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    Meditate, know how you feel inside aswell as how you feel inside.. that's probably Si . I can do this stuff, it just tends to be easier to think about the feelings of others, rather than my own. Get someone else to help too, particularly someone feelery
    Meditating - I have been trying this, and I feel like I'm getting closer. But it's SLOW. Holy hell is it slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hilo View Post
    I guess my prevailing assumption has been that I have feelings, but do not know them. Is it valid to say, because I did action X I must feel this way? This seems like using Ti again.
    Fi and Ti are a lot alike, really. Fi for me is all about investigating feelings, reactions, emotional states...trying to understand them as thoroughly as you would another subject with Ti. Forming a holistic model of them (that is in touch with other aspects of you, sometimes of other people)...you figure out how you function, your hidden intentions and defence mechanisms etc. etc... I can't really say how I do it, it happens organically...I think Fi has a logic of its own (somehow the word "empathy" pops up as an overarching qualification). There's the actual feeling part of the function (irrational - love, pain...) and then there's the part where it becomes a diagnostic tool...helps you to figure out what you want while taking into account the irrational part. The difficult part is not confusing one for the other so you don't fall into the dogma trap or in a feely Fi-loop.

    I dunno in how far you can look at the function in isolation either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    curious...without fi how to you come to determine how you feel on such things as capital punishment or abortion?

    example me?
    In both of these situations, I'm personally indifferent. Not for or against. When it comes to say...social policy on these issues I will defer to a more rudimentary Te style of decision making, like "if it works based on some kind of evidence, yes, if it doesn't, no."



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    In both of these situations, I'm personally indifferent. Not for or against. When it comes to say...social policy on these issues I will defer to a more rudimentary Te style of decision making, like "if it works based on some kind of evidence, yes, if it doesn't, no."
    what about if your gf wanted an abortion...how does that processing go...is it a ti approach based on logic?
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    I don't really have a particular desire or need for Fi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    curious...without fi how to you come to determine how you feel on such things as capital punishment or abortion?

    example me?
    You stick to what makes sense to you. Upbringing, available knowledge, open-mindedness etc. I think the difference is in how you show what you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hilo View Post
    I think on another thread someone pointed out that you might "think" you have an opinion, then get into a sticky situation and find out how you really feel (one guy bravely exampled that he was anti-abortion up until getting his gf preggers. ha).

    Personally, using abortion as an example because it does seem rather polarizing, I used to be anti, thanks to religious up-bringing. Once I lost religiosity, I had no external frame so I became ambivalent (it might be right in some cases, wrong in others). Now I would say I'm pro-choice, because I don't feel wrong about the idea in general. So perhaps that is an Fi-based judgment.

    I guess my prevailing assumption has been that I have feelings, but do not know them. Is it valid to say, because I did action X I must feel this way? This seems like using Ti again.


    Another thread asked if there were any beliefs you would die for (trying to get at someone's core beliefs). Of course, one of my favorite quotes for years was Russell's "I would never die for my beliefs, because I might be wrong"

    Part of my fear of Fi judgments is because (perhaps this is P nature) I am concerned that they are either fickle, or ill-judged. I like person A one minute, the next I don't. I want this outcome, wait, no I don't.
    The fickleness annoys Fi users, too. However, the fickleness is not Fi. Fi, rather, learns how to process the fickleness into something coherent.


    Quote Originally Posted by hilo View Post
    Meditating - I have been trying this, and I feel like I'm getting closer. But it's SLOW. Holy hell is it slow.
    Yes, very slow. Fi is slow. The way to focus it is to think in terms of what you really feel, not in terms of what you feel on the surface level.

    it's the surface-level feelings that have all of the fickleness, because they seem to react randomly to whatever is right there in front of you, or to whatever is going on in your life. What is really going on is that they're often triggering a deeper truth, in Fi terms. The purpose is to find those deeper truths. Once you know they're there, and what they are, you can shape those truths. This is not the same as controlling feelings, but rather is a case of understanding feelings.

    For example, you might feel jealous w/r to someone else getting more attention than you. You feel an instinctive reaction, you are tempted to correct the apparent situation. As an INTP (and me as an INTJ), we usually back off from those feelings and just kind of ignore them. We feel them, they hurt, but rather than process the feeling, we ignore it and choose to apply objectivity to make our choices.

    A deeper Fi understanding might note that your emotions really mean that you like someone a lot ... or they might really mean, "Oh, this is just the petty jealousy, where you're bored and want some attention, you don't really like the person."

    That is, you learn which emotions are important, by identifying them properly with Fi in the scheme of things.

    Fe does the "same thing", except that it uses other people to figure out which emotions are important, by a sophisticated compare/contrast in an "objective" rather than "subjective" manner. The main difference in understanding is that with Fe, you can readily give "because" reasons for why an emotion is good or bad or important or unimportant, but with Fi, you "just know" what an emotion is, but can't really verbalize it without it sounding like random nonsense, but you can sortofkindof say that you "feel strongly" about something and you can't just accept someone else's say-so differently, for example.
    An argument is two people sharing their ignorance.

    A discussion is two people sharing their understanding, even when they disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    what about if your gf wanted an abortion...how does that processing go...is it a ti approach based on logic?
    The decision for me would be made based on: can we support a child responsibly right now? Do we have the financial means? Is our relationship capable of handling a child at this stage? If we are not ready, why shouldn't we accept that it was a mistake? I would make sure all of these things are considered before we made the choice.

    That would be my approach. Be it Ti/Te, rational, irrational, not sure what how it would be classified.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    what about if your gf wanted an abortion...how does that processing go...is it a ti approach based on logic?
    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    The decision for me would be made based on: can we support a child responsibly right now? Do we have the financial means? Is our relationship capable of handling a child at this stage? If we are not ready, why shouldn't we accept that it was a mistake? I would make sure all of these things are considered before we made the choice.

    That would be my approach. Be it Ti/Te, rational, irrational, not sure what how it would be classified.
    This. I just don't see the need to assign values to these things. I wouldn't necessarily like it, but I also wouldn't like it if I had to raise a kid under bad circumstances.
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