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    I dont agree with Rand in many ways and i certainly dont worship her. She is the epitome of an unhealthy, self-serving intj.

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    Are INTJs even physically capable of not being self-serving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Are INTJs even physically capable of not being self-serving?
    Is anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I was just coming in to say this. No one can be as hard on us as we are on ourselves. Self-doubt, over-analyzing, second guessing anything relationship related. Not that these things can't be lessened. They can and it takes time but they're always there for us. There are areas I'm supremely confident in and always have been. There are areas I had to put a lot of effort into changing too.
    Absolutely agree. Self-doubt and over-analyzing (and I don't think it is only personal relationships) are probably what helps INTJ's put things in perspective to everyting else. Strangely enough, most people only seem to perceive self-confidence or arrogance, where there might be self-doubt. The better you learn to cope with it (and I don't think I every fully will) the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    Is anyone?
    People jump on grenades to save others, so I'd say yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    People jump on grenades to save others, so I'd say yes.
    If throwing the grenade back or finding a way to keep the group from getting grenades thrown at them to begin with instead of jumping on a grenade in the spur of the moment means INTJs are self-serving then...you know what I'm not even going to finish that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    People jump on grenades to save others, so I'd say yes.
    Because they couldn't live with themselves had they not done so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    If throwing the grenade back or finding a way to keep the group from getting grenades thrown at them to begin with instead of jumping on a grenade in the spur of the moment means INTJs are self-serving then...you know what I'm not even going to finish that.
    Don't worry I'm not passing judgment. I'm no better, nor are most NTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    If Alan Greenspan is an INTJ, he definitely disappoints me. To be so fucking narrow-mindedly obsessed with free market ideology does not seem very worthy of INTJhood, in my opinion. I was a college fucking econ student and I knew his (and the Republican's, in general) borderline obsessive faith in free markets was leading us into disaster.
    Type has nothing to do with an individual's personal political philosophy (what alliteration) or intelligence. Actually, in some ways, it would make sense that some INTJs like Greenspan are free market advocators (although I personally disagree with) and that they have an obsessive, almost child-like obstinacy to obtain that system. Sounds like under-developed Fi, which is common in the tertiary spot (see ENTPs and tert Fe). It's much of the reason why INTJs in general are rather hit or miss for me. Their Fi is either completely under-developed, developing, or so fine-tuned they confuse themselves for INFPs

    I would like to blame it on Ti and him being an INTP, but I'm really not sure if that's the case. Most everywhere you see him labeled as an INTJ.
    Function doesn't explain behavior. It would similar to my saying, for example, that every time I look at the social interaction objectively and promote social harmony I'm using Fe even though that's obviously not the case.

    I mostly remember his rant about Social Darwinism and how he and his minions were superior to all the "idiots" not working at his firm. Very well could be a retarded INTJ...
    Or just an INTJ who happens to be a self-serving, hypocritical bastard. He isn't any more the exception to his type than the most intelligent INTJs are the norm.


    EDIT: @theOP - Like most posters here have said, yes INTJs can doubt themselves. In fact, some of them can be the most critical and judgmental of themselves. However, I think enneatype has a lot to do with how that is manifests in the individual and to what degree they do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptunesnet View Post
    Or just an INTJ who happens to be a self-serving, hypocritical bastard. He isn't any more the exception to his type than the most intelligent INTJs are the norm.
    I take offense to that.

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