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    So you are saying feelers are capable of mass murder and planning genocide.
    I don't agree. Perhaps Fi, but definitely not Fe.

    Fe is never about brutality and violence. There is never any social harmony in Hitler's plans. its always about the triumph of the strong over the weak.
    Fascism is always the brainchild of Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    So you are saying feelers are capable of mass murder and planning genocide.
    I don't agree. Perhaps Fi, but definitely not Fe.
    Fe users are certainly much less likely to be genocidal than Fi users, but Fe empathy can quite easily be limited to what once considers their tribe, so to speak -- that was very common when nationalism was still in vogue (that is, throughout all of history till the 1960s), and it fits Hitler's character perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    There is never any social harmony in Hitler's plans. its always about the triumph of the strong over the weak.
    The two aren't mutually exclusive at all, but in any case Hitler (unlike some of his peers) did not actually advocate pure social Darwinism -- otherwise he would not have supported and established an expansive welfare system, which was part of the NSDAP party platform. Further the man's behavior itself was very indicative of a desire for social harmony, and he had an outstanding ability to make a deep connection with others he spoke to personally. His management style was very personal (Fe) rather than directive (Te).

    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Fascism is always the brainchild of Te.
    As a fascist (though note, not a supporter of genocide or Hitler's brand of fascism in general) and a Te user, I consider that a compliment. But alas no, fascism can be born in the brain of Feelers and Ti users as well.
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    He advocated Germans > everything else. Everything else is subhuman and he dreams of building an empire made out of blood of millions of people.

    Iam not going to debate this anymore.

    The only way to find out the answer is time travel back to Nazi Germany and get the man to take the MBTI test. Otherwise, there is no way of knowing the truth.

    But I still think he is not a feeler, because I have been observing the ENFJs in this forum and I don't think they are capable of doing what Hitler is doing. Fe is never known to be cold blooded and ruthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Fe is never known to be cold blooded and ruthless.
    Fe is not good nor bad. It's just the intuition of understanding socialization. It's a rock, you can kill people with it or you can play with it. It doesn't automatically mean valuing harmony, peace, and order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    He advocated Germans > everything else. Everything else is subhuman and he dreams of building an empire made out of blood of millions of people.
    Yes. That would be tribal Fe. Fe does not, I repeat does not need to be universalist at all. Universalism was pretty much sacrilege in almost every society in the 1940s.

    Iam not going to debate this anymore.
    How very Fi of you...
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    Ok, I'll repeat this cause I see you're ignoring it somehow.

    - I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing.
    - I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate.
    - I believe being tactful is more important than telling the “cold” truth.
    - I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.

    I repeat again this is from the official Myers Briggs website. Hitler was none of this. He was none of that Fe description you gave.

    Follow me here, simple logical deduction. You are a feeler if you meet most of the above criteria. Hitler was almost none of the above.

    Drumroll... The conclusion is Hitler was NOT a feeler. EOD. I am also pulling out of the discussion because my Te is ringing that this is utterly pointless and a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    - I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing.
    Hitler was like this.

    - I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate.
    Hitler was also like this.

    - I believe being tactful is more important than telling the “cold” truth.
    - I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.
    Hitler was very, very much like this. Not being universalist does not imply not being a feeler. By the values of the time, foreigners could fuck themselves. Ergo by Hitler's socially derived norms they could too. Pure and simple.

    Most anti-immigration advocates are SFJ today.

    And that cinches it. you ignored my argument, restated your own with greater emphasis and thought that was enough. You're some kind of EFP -- ESFP probably given that the type shares its functions with ENTJ.

    Drumroll... The conclusion is Hitler was NOT a feeler. EOD. I am also pulling out of the discussion because my Te is ringing that this is utterly pointless and a waste of time.
    It's only a waste of time because you make it a waste of time. You ignored the crux of my argument and fell back your comforting view that Hitler's deeds were just the delusions of one madman because you found it more comfortable. But whatever makes you sleep at night.
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    Dude, you're telling me Hitler was a compassionate and harmonious guy and you're being arrogant about it. We'll let people with common sense decide who is wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Dude, you're telling me Hitler was a compassionate and harmonious guy and you're being arrogant about it. We'll let people with common sense decide who is wrong here.
    Everyone knows Hitler was xNFJ. The man had Fe. Fe isn't inherently godly or anything, it can be twisted for good or ill. Sociopaths can use Fe to manipulate others to their own ends. Narcissists use Fe to get their way. People with common sense can recognize that you're getting butthurt because you share a personality type with a mass murderer. It happens.

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    I'd also like to point out that being a universalist is a relatively new concept. It might seem mind-boggling to some of you (and you call yourselves Ns???) but the morals of our time weren't always embraced by the world at large, and that includes NFs from the past. Globalism, etc. is a relatively new concept. At the turn of the 20th century nationalism was a HUGE thing in all countries, not just Germany. Germany had also suffered great losses and Hitler felt it was his duty to serve the German people, rest of the world be damned.

    There was no television back then. There definitely was no Internet. Middle class people didn't just fly all over the world and meet people of different nationalities all of the time. GLOBAL THINKING WAS NOT THE NORM. In fact, at that point, it was a big deal to think of people outside of your own family and home town, let alone your own country. Hitler very much used Fe to serve what he thought was the good of Germany. Fe, especially, tends to jive with the moral feeling of its surroundings, so Fe more than Fi would be succeptible to nationalism.

    Just because you recognize something as moral doesn't mean that everyone else feels that way. There's no law that says in order to be an NF you must be a universalist humanitarian. That's a way of thinking that is ironically very limited to your time and place. Think outside the box.

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