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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    From the list:

    Putin- INTJ
    Winston Churchill- INTJ
    Der Führer- INFJ
    Warren Buffett- ...I actually think ENFJ. Too goody-goody for ENTJ.
    The Brain- obvious INTJ is obvious
    Darth Vader- obvious ISTJ is obvious
    I think I could agree with you on The Brain xD, and Putin seems a little xNTJ but people who claim Hitler was an INFJ or ENFJ or any kind of feeler have no understanding of the fundamentals of MBTI. This really needs to stop.

    This is how you determine a feeler:

    * Naturally sympathetic (loool yeah Hitler was very sympathetic)
    * Strives for harmony (hahahaharmony, he f**ing started a world war)
    * Empathetic and forgiving (yeah, a real Jesus, all mistakes forgiven)
    * Decides with heart (nope, decides with what benefits the goal, if it's killing people, then so be it)
    * Naturally trusts others (hell no, he was pretty much paranoid)
    * Supportive (only of the German people, but not supportive in the way feelers are - placing yourself second - no no)
    * Tactful (only when it would benefit him and his goal)
    * Concerned with the feelings of others (come on?)
    * Warm and friendly nature (no)

    And for all the INFJs and INFPs here who think they're feelers because they have emotions, SURPRISE, I have literally cried on my bed more than 10 times in the last 4 years and I'm an ENTJ MAN. I can admit this on a forum of people I'll NEVER meet. This does NOT make me a feeler, It makes me a depressed f***ed up person who's trying to get back into life. I suspect there are many NT artists who think they're feelers because they have deep emotions.

    Feelers are determined by those factors above. They are very easy to spot. I don't know why people get confused. Thinkers can be bigger drama queens and emotional wrecks than feelers. It's NOT about emotions, it's about decision making and priorities. Justice or mercy, cold truth or harmony... It's about OTHER PEOPLE's feelings, how you react to THEIR feelings.

    And Aleksei, with Buffett you've basically said you don't believe ENTJs can be good people. Isn't that nice of you. If I had 749 trillion gazillion dollars trust me, I'd give more than Buffett. If you compare his earning-giving ratio to mine, I think I beat him.

    Whoa, now I'm wondering if I should even post this. What the hell, it's a decent rant. I might have made it into a drama but I'll post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    I think I could agree with you on The Brain xD, and Putin seems a little xNTJ but people who claim Hitler was an INFJ or ENFJ or any kind of feeler have no understanding of the fundamentals of MBTI. This really needs to stop.

    This is how you determine a feeler:

    * Naturally sympathetic (loool yeah Hitler was very sympathetic)
    * Strives for harmony (hahahaharmony, he f**ing started a world war)
    * Empathetic and forgiving (yeah, a real Jesus, all mistakes forgiven)
    * Decides with heart (nope, decides with what benefits the goal, if it's killing people, then so be it)
    * Naturally trusts others (hell no, he was pretty much paranoid)
    * Supportive (only of the German people, but not supportive in the way feelers are - placing yourself second - no no)
    * Tactful (only when it would benefit him and his goal)
    * Concerned with the feelings of others (come on?)
    * Warm and friendly nature (no)
    No, this is how you determine if a person is agreeable (which is a SLOAN dichotomy, not an MBTI one). Feeling means reliance on values, either internal (Fi) or external (Fe). being a feeler does not require being nice and forgiving -- T types are actually more likely to be forgiving than F types, because they don't give a shit, especially Ti types. Hitler was an unhinged maniac, driven by the values of the German society of his time (Fe) combined with with his own vision of how to carry it forward (Fe). He further distinctly sucked at strategy and policymaking, which would indicate a lack of Te, which eliminates INTJ (let alone ENTJ) as a possibility.

    And for all the INFJs and INFPs here who think they're feelers because they have emotions, SURPRISE, I have literally cried on my bed more than 10 times in the last 4 years and I'm an ENTJ MAN. I can admit this on a forum of people I'll NEVER meet. This does NOT make me a feeler, It makes me a depressed f***ed up person who's trying to get back into life. I suspect there are many NT artists who think they're feelers because they have deep emotions.
    You are correct that Feeling does not mean emotional, but Feeling does not mean nice, sympathetic or conflict-avoidant either. It just means values-driven.

    Although frankly given the above (and the way you presented it -- very subjective) you could be wrong about being ENTJ. ENTJs are Te-dominant, and Fi-inferior, which often (not always, but usually) makes them businesslike and very uncomfortable with their own emotions. This post actually contains significantly more Te than yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No, this is how you determine if a person is agreeable (which is a SLOAN dichotomy, not an MBTI one). Feeling means reliance on values, either internal (Fi) or external (Fe).
    No actually this is how you determine an MBTI feeler. Most of these questions are in MBTI tests. You must have done them. They literally ask you if you're sensitive to conflict, if you value harmony more than cold truth, heart or head, concerned with the feelings of others and questions like that.

    And if that's not enough here's some criteria from the OFFICIAL Myers Briggs website:

    - I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing.
    - I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate.
    - I believe being tactful is more important than telling the “cold” truth.
    - I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    He further distinctly sucked at strategy and policymaking, which would indicate a lack of Te, which eliminates INTJ (let alone ENTJ) as a possibility.
    The German strategies of World War II were almost exclusively designed or condoned by Adolf Hitler himself. He managed to conquer almost all of Europe and the northern part of Africa, a part of Russia too and whatnot. That is a feat no one ever managed to do in modern history. How can you say he sucked at strategy? Because he went mad and wanted to conquer the WHOLE world and lost? Well, he was a narcissist and a little fucked up. He had absolute authority and no one could question his decisions. Narcissists are full of illusions.

    And all that aside, being Te dominant doesn't mean you're miraculously good at strategy anyway. NTJs usually are, but there are lots of exceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Although frankly given the above (and the way you presented it -- very subjective) you could be wrong about being ENTJ. ENTJs are Te-dominant, and Fi-inferior, which often (not always, but usually) makes them businesslike and very uncomfortable with their own emotions.
    Being ENTJ does not necessarily mean you have to be very uncomfortable with your emotions. There are balanced ENTJs who spent time introspecting. And I hardly have anything to be uncomfortable about on an anonymous forum. I can say pretty much anything and it won't affect me because nobody knows who I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    No actually this is how you determine an MBTI feeler. Most of these questions are in MBTI tests. You must have done them. They literally ask you if you're sensitive to conflict, if you value harmony more than cold truth, heart or head, concerned with the feelings of others and questions like that.

    And if that's not enough here's some criteria from the OFFICIAL Myers Briggs website:

    - I am concerned with harmony and nervous when it is missing.
    - I make decisions with my heart and want to be compassionate.
    - I believe being tactful is more important than telling the “cold” truth.
    - I am sometimes experienced by others as too idealistic, mushy, or indirect.
    Well, yeah that's more in line with the expected behavior of Feelers, but says nothing about how unhealthy feelers behave -- it doesn't actually fully match the Feeling functions (Fe and Fi). This is what's important in determining whether someone's an F type:

    Extraverted Feeling

    The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.
    Introverted Feeling

    It is often hard to assign words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images, feeling tones, and gut reactions more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued, wanted, or worth believing in. There can be a continual weighing of the situational worth or importance of everything and a patient balancing of the core issues of peace and conflict in life’s situations. We engage in the process of introverted Feeling when a value is compromised and we think, “Sometimes, some things just have to be said.” On the other hand, most of the time this process works “in private” and is expressed through actions. It helps us know when people are being fake or insincere or if they are basically good. It is like having an internal sense of the “essence” of a person or a project and reading fine distinctions among feeling tones.
    Fi concentrates on a person's own values, beliefs and emotions, and guides thinking on that basis. Fe concentrates on shared values and emotions, and guides thinking on that basis. Hitler was quite clearly an Fe type, feeding not on any personal slight against him but on the collective hatred of the German people against foreigners and Jews, and forming his vision on that basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    The German strategies of World War II were almost exclusively designed or condoned by Adolf Hitler himself. He managed to conquer almost all of Europe and the northern part of Africa, a part of Russia too and whatnot. That is a feat no one ever managed to do in modern history. How can you say he sucked at strategy?
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    Like George Lucas bent on world domination, Hitler simply gets too much credit for the decisions made by people around him. Germany's successful invasion of France, for example, had nothing to do with Hitler's planning. His contribution was the part where he let 300,000 Allies escape at the Battle of Dunkirk, and where he singlehandedly blew The Battle of Britain with every advantage going for him, canceling the invasion of Britain in what would be the first real turning point of the war.
    Hitler didn't fucking know how to fight a war. he didn't know how to handle the domestic economy either though, or, well, do anything right. He was just a lucky son of a bitch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    Being ENTJ does not necessarily mean you have to be very uncomfortable with your emotions. There are balanced ENTJs who spent time introspecting. And I hardly have anything to be uncomfortable about on an anonymous forum. I can say pretty much anything and it won't affect me because nobody knows who I am.
    Well, the thing is that ENTJs are Fi-inferior, which is a double-whammy in terms of emotional discomfort: For one thing it means that your feelings are for your own personal consumption, rather than for anyone else to see (Introverted Feeling), and for another they're way down the line in your functional order. I could see an ENTJ growing to embrace their feelings over time, but not really arguing from a Feeling perspective -- not when Te is so readily available and so much more convincing. Your initial post reminded me a lot of when I first started posting in debate forums; when my Fi was still out of control. I've learned to tone it down over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Joseph Stalin- ISTJ
    He was more than a simple controler.

    [quote]Murray Rothbard- ENFP[/quote

    Ha...ha..Explain.
    Jim Carrey- ENFP
    Yeah, that suprised me a little to see him typed as ENTJ. He seems clearly more ENFP or maybe ENTP. Maybe because he's a 7w6.
    Princess Leia- ESFJ
    No. Too much agressive, critical, dominatrix, and big-picture oriented to be ESFJ.

    Dalton's Bond- INTJ
    Possible

    Daffy Duck- ESFP
    He's just a stupid duck, not necessarly ESFP.
    Alice- Extremely motherfucking obvious INFP
    Extremely motherfucking obvious ENTJ, have you seen that thread? http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...onderland.html

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    Bruce Dickinson
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    Barack Obama
    Eminem: ISTP
    Julius Caesar: ENTP
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    Aleksei, I'm sorry but that Fe description sounds nothing like Hitler.

    Lets dissect it:

    The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. - he pretty much didn't care about any of that

    Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. - he got people to kill each other, not act kindly to each other and I'm pretty sure he didn't laugh at people's jokes to make them feel better. Other people probably did that to him.

    Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. - he didn't care if people wanted to go to war or not, he cared about his goal

    We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. - wtf, it turns out Hilter was like a therapist, listening to everyone talk about themselves. In reality it was completely the opposite. He could talk for hours in his speeches in front of a million people.

    Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along. - to get along, not to fight the whole world and kill your neighbors with fire or mutilate them


    I don't care about that funny website. It's in no way a source or an authority on anything. And even if it were it's not important to our discussion because being dominant Te doesn't mean you're destined to be a strategical genius or a spectacularly successful person.

    Hitler was quite clearly an Fe type, feeding not on any personal slight against him but on the collective hatred of the German people against foreigners and Jews, and forming his vision on that basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Hitler was quite clearly an Fe type, feeding not on any personal slight against him but on the collective hatred of the German people against foreigners and Jews, and forming his vision on that basis.
    Are you implying that all Germans wanted to burn and kill Jews and foreigners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. - he pretty much didn't care about any of that

    Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. - he got people to kill each other, not act kindly to each other and I'm pretty sure he didn't laugh at people's jokes to make them feel better. Other people probably did that to him.

    Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. - he didn't care if people wanted to go to war or not, he cared about his goal

    We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. - wtf, it turns out Hilter was like a therapist, listening to everyone talk about themselves. In reality it was completely the opposite. He could talk for hours in his speeches in front of a million people.

    Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along. - to get along, not to fight the whole world and kill your neighbors with fire or mutilate them
    It's a basic fallacy to assume that just because he was megalomaniacal Hitler was some kind of unsociable monster. He was actually rather kind and considerate to his guests, and very generous to non-Jewish Germans. A major part of his party platform called for an extensive welfare state and generous worker benefits; his ideology wasn't called National Socialism for no reason. He did not care for foreigners, but the shared values of his society at the time didn't either -- and Fe types are highly receptive to shared values. The general consensus is actually that Hitler was ENFJ, given his sheer energy and charisma, but the fact is he needed a significant amount of downtime, and when not speaking in public he was rather quiet. An introvert.

    Are you implying that all Germans wanted to burn and kill Jews and foreigners?
    Yes I am. The NSDAP won elections on a strongly antisemitic platform, and Hitler wasn't even the most reactionary figure within his own party. This feeds into a point you made above, which was he didn't care if people wanted to go to war. The fact is he actually declared war on Europe because Germans craved space to expand. His goal was to conquer Europe, then empty out Eastern Europe in order for the German people to expand out East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corey_vann View Post
    ENTJ Personality Type: Famous ENTJs

    Don't get me wrong, I love's me some NPH, but how is Barney Stinson and ENTJ?
    Brash, take-charge, very organized personality, clear tertiary Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    It's a basic fallacy to assume that just because he was megalomaniacal Hitler was some kind of unsociable monster. He was actually rather kind and considerate to his guests, and very generous to non-Jewish Germans.
    So it's easy for you to believe that a person who is compassionate, values harmony and cares about people's feelings can start a world war and kill and burn people, but it's hard for you to believe ENTJs can be kind and considerate to their guests and people of their country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    A major part of his party platform called for an extensive welfare state and generous worker benefits; his ideology wasn't called National Socialism for no reason.
    Yeah, that's what a lot of ENTJ presidents did for their countries. We like to improve on things.

    I won't comment on the last bit. You've basically labeled a nation as evil.

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