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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Have any links?
    Well, there are a bunch of torrents of his lectures as audio books going around but I would recommend a book instead. The problem is that the book was translated into Finnish and named "Zen", and there is no such book in English. I guess it must be "The Way of Zen".

    But, the lectures are quite good, actually they are very inspiring. I just find them a bit inconvenient as you can't stop to contemplate as easily as with a book. There's also no way of knowing which lecture is about the subject you are looking for as he has quite a bouncy style... he might first talk about christianity, then make a dirty joke (which somehow explains the previous idea), then jump to the actual subject... Just pick a lecture randomly, he has the same basic themes in most of them anyways...

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    Spirituality that involves a personal god or creator, in my truly humble opinion, is an immature form of spirituality. There are other forms of spirituality, namely Eastern religions, that don't have anything to do with a personal God and don't tell you what you have to do with your life. They offer techniques for investigating your experience and really understanding what it means to be free, what it means to have joy, and what it means to generate inner peace. They only instruct insofar as you are looking for a solution to your existential dilemmas. They don't require everyone to practice their religion to achieve some compulsory end. They're an advanced form of psychology that don't require that you suspend your skepticism or intelligence, but rather embrace it. And they definitely do provide you with a source of meaning to fill that void. I speak from personal experience.

    You're smart. Buy a book on it that sounds interesting to you. Just keep an open mind when you come across terms and ideas that seem fluffy or unfamiliar. You can actually make sense of all of that stuff just by examining the experiences you'd already had, just carefully. I think you've enjoy Alan Watts. He's Western, fucking brilliant ENTP (certified) and has a limpid writing style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I've been listening to Alan Watts a lot lately. He has a nice way of explaining zen...
    Too funny. I actually didn't read your post before I mentioned Watts in my post. Watts is the man. If you like his lectures (I've listened to a lot of them myself) you should read the Wisdom of Insecurity. It's absolutely beautiful and brilliant.

    My favorite quote from the lectures: "Reality isn't material. Reality isn't spiritual. Reality is *hits something loud*..and we won't give it a name."

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    Quote Originally Posted by xNTP View Post
    Too funny. I actually didn't read your post before I mentioned Watts in my post. Watts is the man.


    Quote Originally Posted by xNTP View Post
    If you like his lectures (I've listened to a lot of them myself) you should read the Wisdom of Insecurity. It's absolutely beautiful and brilliant.
    Thanks for the tip. I have only read the book I mentioned earlier. I am sure I will have to get more of them when I have some extra money... Actually, I think I have to buy another copy of the same book. I lent it to mom and I doubt I will ever get it back, she just can't get enough of it...

    Quote Originally Posted by xNTP View Post
    My favorite quote from the lectures: "Reality isn't material. Reality isn't spiritual. Reality is *hits something loud*..and we won't give it a name."
    I actually listened to that lecture yesterday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I actually listened to that lecture yesterday...
    He repeats that line pretty often.

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    So are you still an insane right-winger or not? You change that much?

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    Why would you want to believe in something? For the structure? For the peace of mind? What's wrong with the freedom and independence of forming your own perspective of the world? Would having it fed to you in bite sized truths within lies really make you happy? The security of the hoard comes with the loss of your freedom.

    I see people growing up and succumbing to peer pressure, becoming apart of something bigger than them so that they can feel secure. All it really does is takes them out of their element, or transforms them into someone that they are not. This is what 'normal' people do, they group together, forming a pact. The people who are part of this group then band against people who are not in the group, because they are convinced that you want to become 'normal'... who in their right mind would not want to be 'normal'?

    The lead singer from Motion City Soundtrack is one cool INTP dude, and as you'll see, he's got the right idea:

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsGqz3XvnVc"]Motion City Soundtrack - @!#?@![/YOUTUBE]

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    I don't believe souls exist, I mean... really the idea of a soul is the foundation of all religion and has just as little proof of any sort of god.

    I think ancient humans came up with idea of a soul to ease their fear of death... Don't worry, daddys not gone, hes waiting for you. Don't worry, life isn't over, you go to a better place. There is no proof of any of this. There just isn't. To me "God" was invented as mythology to try and explain this bizarre idea of "the soul". However, both of them are equally untrue.

    That's my take on it.

    Believe in yourself, believe in the people around you. It's important to think positive. Positive things happen when you think positively because if you believe something hard enough it often comes true somehow. It's important to be a part of a community. Show love and you'll be shown love. Share and you'll be shared with. Don't believe in imaginary superstitions. No matter how many people believe in them.

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    To the OP:

    You may just have landed on the wrong spiritual path. Not all demand you turn your back on your self and your values. Some will even support you in these. To acknowledge a spiritual power is not the same as being its puppet. Not all faiths view deity -- or us -- that way. Some view deity as something that is within each of us, an extension or expansion of the idea of a "divine spark", perhaps.

    I have been through my own spiritual wasteland, for rather more time than I like to recall. The specific steps I took to get beyond it won't help you, since you must find your own way, but I will tell you that I did start by tossing out everything that had come before: the bad and any good since I couldn't separate it out any more. Also, I came to realize I was trying too hard. Eventually, I stopped searching for the truth and learned to be quiet and still enough that it could find me.

    In this vein, you might find meditation helpful. It requires no particular beliefs, but can be undertaken simply as a mental exercise.

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    Risen, you should be happy you've discarded all that garbage. The more truth you find in life, the more all will seem dark, gloomy and hopeless. If you don't like what you have just found, I advise you to turn back into the middle ages and build yourself a new pagan object of worship, or at the very least hit the local mall and buy some hazelnut frappuccino. Should you continue in pointing the survival tool of your mind to abstract things and existential issues, you will find a lot more to grieve about

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