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    My mom is an INTJ, and she is hardly a robot super-villain. She can be very compassionate and emotional at times (at least around her close friends and family), but she certainly displays stubbornness, impatience, and is willing to butt heads with me whenever she feels like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    This thread is full of the same bogus stereotyping that I always see. Most of you have never met even one of us, let alone actually known one of us.
    It does concern me how many INTJs that contributors know. Considering that we are only 3% of the population, and not particularly gregarious, it seems surprising that so many people know so many INTJs. It would be interesting for the contributors to this forum to calculate the percentage of INTJs that they know, I suspect it will be much greater than 3%, why? For some reason many people seem to test as or claim to be INTJ, but are they really INTJ? I certainly don't know any other INTJ, I have have met one who I tested on a course, but that was quite a shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    I also suspect that most people that claim INTJ are actually ISTJ in denial.
    As far as I'm concerned ISTJ is diametrically opposed to an INTJ, I suspect it's the most difficult, but possibly rewarding, working relationship. INTJs come up with Ideas; ISTJs shoot them down by playing devils advocate. This forces the INTJ to come up with even better ideas. an INTJ without an ISTJ just goes with their first, probably daft, idea. An ISTJ without an INTJ just doesn't have any good ideas.

    I just can't imagine what it's like to be an ISTJ.

    p.s. I'm married to an ISTJ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by red13 View Post
    As far as I'm concerned ISTJ is diametrically opposed to an INTJ, I suspect it's the most difficult, but possibly rewarding, working relationship. INTJs come up with Ideas; ISTJs shoot them down by playing devils advocate. This forces the INTJ to come up with even better ideas. an INTJ without an ISTJ just goes with their first, probably daft, idea. An ISTJ without an INTJ just doesn't have any good ideas.

    I just can't imagine what it's like to be an ISTJ.

    p.s. I'm married to an ISTJ!
    Heh heh, I like the last part the best.
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    Why do people have such negative ideas about INTJs?

    Simple. They haven't yet met me!







    Hmmm seriously, probably because we INTJs are quite countercultural, especially the females.

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    We're just so far off from the norm that we don't seem to be understood by anyone but one of our own (I'm grateful for the INTJ forum). There's a stereotype that somehow implies INTJ females are not 'womanly' and there's somehow something wrong with speaking, thinking and acting like a 'man', which, might I mention is another stereotype (just like it's wrong generally for boys to be interested in dolls instead of war games). There's been much fuss about how INTJ's are cold. I would like to point out that we're not (or at least, I'm not). I don't like to communicate my emotions, and hardly anybody but myself know what I'm thinking most of the time. Whenever I was hugged, I tend to flinch and nicely explain why I'm not comfortable with being hugged. That didn't really distant me from my emotionally expressive friends and they understood. Not many people know us personally. I myself have a wide circle of close friends, but among them, I can only vouch for 2 of them to really know me (and in any case, I only truly like these two). Even then, I have more than 50% of myself kept from my closest of confidants. They're the people I 'click' with and I find that I can admire, whether it be their intellect, character or achievements who share a similar depth of thought with me (and those who realize that there is more to the world than fashion, dating and 'having fun').

    Even though I'm good at it, honestly, I hate acting. With most of my friends, whenever I start on a subject that really interests me (science, politics, philosophy etc), they find the quickest way out of it and change the subject to gossip, flirting and complaining about how stupid people are (they really have no rights to do that) I have to act silly and immature around them or I'd be considered 'no fun at all'.

    Some of us do not think that most people are competent because they don't make 'sense' or that they are not decisive/focused enough on a task. (I'm generalizing, but only from my observation) We admire the purest of logic and the courage to admit that one's wrong. That is a discipline most INTJ's follow and some of them expect the same of others. That may come off as arrogance to the general populous, and I really don't blame them.

    Might I mention that most INTJ's prefer to handle things and see the world through a detached point of view? That might anger most F's and some other T's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    It's because we cut out the bullshit.
    This is one reason I like INTJ's. I don't have time for idle chatter most of the time so I like people to just spit it out and have it make sense as well. I would like all my Dr's to be INTJ's. F's annoy me and never seem to just get to the point and give me a suitable solution.
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    Reading through some of the posts on here I have to conclude that the definitions of the various types are very ill defined and possibly the userbase is using multiple different sources for their understandings (for example the reference of an INTJ to another type as "always shooting down ideas" is hilarious to me as an INTP with an INTJ mate).

    A couple of things though that INTJs seem to be proving that they have in spades.

    Independence of thinking.
    I guess all that dismissive behaviour has to have a final outcome but it does seem that through sorting the wheat from the chaff like combine harvesters of thought many INTJs have found what I'd consider an excellent and individual outcome.

    You know I've got this far and just the expectance of dismissal has removed all motivation for writing anything further. I guess that says something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by red13 View Post
    It does concern me how many INTJs that contributors know. Considering that we are only 3% of the population, and not particularly gregarious, it seems surprising that so many people know so many INTJs. It would be interesting for the contributors to this forum to calculate the percentage of INTJs that they know, I suspect it will be much greater than 3%, why? For some reason many people seem to test as or claim to be INTJ, but are they really INTJ? I certainly don't know any other INTJ, I have have met one who I tested on a course, but that was quite a shock.
    I suspect that a ton of people who test as INTJ are really some other type. I'm on another INTJ forum, and I can guarantee that at least a dozen of the ones who post frequently are definitely not INTJs (and they don't realize this). One example is a guy from there I met in person who frequently uses concrete facts and experiential data, and admits to such - he clearly isn't N, and he doesn't 'feel' N to me, even though he claims to be.

    Another factor is masculinity being associated with T. I suspect a lot of INFJ males may misidentify themselves as INTJ, simply because they are socialized to try and act more 'T', even though that is not their most natural preference.
    (I did the reverse of this, as I thought I was INFJ for years.)

    I know quite a few real INTJs, but like I said, I'm on an INTJ forum and have been for awhile
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiana View Post
    I suspect that a ton of people who test as INTJ are really some other type. I'm on another INTJ forum, and I can guarantee that at least a dozen of the ones who post frequently are definitely not INTJs (and they don't realize this). One example is a guy from there I met in person who frequently uses concrete facts and experiential data, and admits to such - he clearly isn't N, and he doesn't 'feel' N to me, even though he claims to be.

    Another factor is masculinity being associated with T. I suspect a lot of INFJ males may misidentify themselves as INTJ, simply because they are socialized to try and act more 'T', even though that is not their most natural preference.
    (I did the reverse of this, as I thought I was INFJ for years.)

    I know quite a few real INTJs, but like I said, I'm on an INTJ forum and have been for awhile
    On INTJ forum, there are hidden 'F's (not implying anything bad about being an F) and a few hidden 'S's, judging by the way they post. However, I can't pretend to know them, so I'll reserve judgment. I've seen some very outwardly 'F' "INTJ's", and they act like that quite a lot, so they may be mistaken in their typing. I understand, however, that they may mistake acting T and truly being T. When I was ESFP during my early childhood, I constantly try to act more 'T'.
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