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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Yeah it can do, I've often thought that too. Depending though on the relationship between A and B, it might say just as much about both of them. People at close quarters like spouses, siblings, parents and children, close house mates etc, I think are in a better position to make reliable judgements about each other where the only thing they tell you about person A is that they're shrewdly observant
    True!

    (Although hypothetical Person C might say that Person A is not shrewd, but rather probing and cynical. Person C is obviously just a milquetoast.*)





    *This parenthetical is my idea of a joke, believe it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    *This parenthetical is my idea of a joke, believe it or not.
    Heheh, I'm well acquainted with the INTJ sense of humour... many a time I've strolled town Tumbleweed Street
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    After reading many of the posts here, I am curious about people's impressions of "INTJ"s. First of all, I think that Athenian hit on something here:

    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    Well, because they can be "amusingly blunt," in my opinion. I sort of want to laugh and express shock at the same time, because I know what they meant, but they really butchered it and laid it out there rather directly, when I would have tried to be more subtle, or not even mentioned it. Some times it can also be really saddening, to watch them repeated get misunderstood as they try to make their point, making critical comments to hide how hurt and confused they probably are (on some level) by the other person's reactions.
    Second, I think that a lot of the experiences that people have shared here in terms of discussions or interactions that they have had with "INTJ"s do not epitomize the type at all. There is certainly a tendency for an INTJ to be more blunt, but not all INTJs have the same social breeding. Thus, personal history and breeding plays a large role in how "agreeable" an INTJ is. It is also true that INTJs tend "not to suffer fools gladly" but this does not mean that they are cavelier or arrogant about it.

    Lastly, and this is the biggest peave I have, is that I have determined that logical argument has much more to do with proper education and practice than it ever does with type. There are many INTJs who have no clue about what logic really is and present their views using Te as if they are always right, presuming that they are naturally using "logic" to justify themselves. There are other INTJs who have studied formal logic and know how to correctly apply the socratic method and (most importantly!) know how to admit when they have made a mistake.

    The bottom line is that immature INTJs, like immature individuals of all types, give INTJs a bad reputation. Mature INTJs tend not to get labelled as INTJs so much because people cannot seem to reconcile their preconception of the cold, intellectual juggernauts against a polite and agreeable person who has taken time to round out their public persona.

    Why do a lot of people have negative views of "INTJ"s as a "group"? Like most negative views, they appear to be founded in unsubstantiated stereotyping.

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    This thread is full of the same bogus stereotyping that I always see. Most of you have never met even one of us, let alone actually known one of us.
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    Disclaimer: The above is my opinion and mine alone, it does not mean I cannot change my mind, nor does it guarantee that my comments are related to any deep-seated convictions. Take everything I say with a whole snowplow worth of salt and call me in the morning, if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    One thing I've noticed that my daughter does is that she treats people that are not her family/friends/teachers sort of like flies she can't be bothered to swat.

    She is a for-real salt of the earth person in that she's honest, responsible, benevolent, etc, but she does not suffer fools gladly so not everyone gets to see how great she is.

    In middle school, she had a reputation for not responding at all when people she didn't like (and I don't mean that she necessarily disliked them, either) spoke to her. She might look at them for a second to identify them, but that's all.

    People don't always know how to take that kind of thing. I think it's pretty hilarious, though.
    Give them the eye, eh?

    I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollonian View Post

    The bottom line is that immature INTJs, like immature individuals of all types, give INTJs a bad reputation. Mature INTJs tend not to get labelled as INTJs so much because people cannot seem to reconcile their preconception of the cold, intellectual juggernauts against a polite and agreeable person who has taken time to round out their public persona.

    Spot on. You can see this phenomenon on this forum and on similar ones. Some probably younger people who have tested as INTJ take up a stance along the lines of, "Yes, I'm a cold, arrogant, intolerant, indiscreet little s**t. But I'm also very bright and capable, and frankly if I p**s people off, then I'm kind of proud of that."

    Some of this of course is internet bravado, but there's no doubt some substance to it. A undoubted feature of the INTJ type is constantly learning from experience and as a result looking for a better way to run your life. They therefore change over time probably as much as any type, if not more. But lurking underneath there is always the trait that says, "If experience and logic tells me that I'm right, and you can't prove or convince me that I'm wrong then that's the end of the matter. Because I'm not going to enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed man."
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    I also suspect that most people that claim INTJ are actually ISTJ in denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    I also suspect that most people that claim INTJ are actually ISTJ in denial.

    Or borderline and not denying it, like me. I'm happy with the S-ish tendency -- helps to keep my feet on the ground and to remember on which side my bread is buttered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    I also suspect that most people that claim INTJ are actually ISTJ in denial.
    I've given thought to that. There are many areas of the ISTJ descriptions I relate with, and it wouldn't shatter my world to discover I was one. I'm reasonably sure I'm not, although if you have reason to believe I am, I'd certainly take it into consideration. I'm more interested in being accurate about my type than in being any particular type.

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    If I am borderline between any type, it is certainly not ISTJ. I am so horribly abstract in my understanding of the world that it almost isn't even funny. When I struggle to explain things to people and end up creating diagrams to represent psychological and sociological principles, there is no doubt left that I swing far to the side of Ni over Si. If I hadn't learned to listen to other people, I'd routinely drive the ISTJ's to fury.

    There is one point about my experience with ISTJ+INTJ interaction which is relevant to this thread, though. It is frustrating when I am explaining something and use a certain word to connote something subtle and the ISTJ (with an Si way of looking at the world) has a certain idea of what a certain word should mean, thus misunderstanding me. The really puzling thing is when the discussion comes to a halt so that we can side track and debate why "you shouldn't have used that word". This is where I can become disagreable because I happen to believe that there is a reason that there are multiple definitions of many words in a dictionary. If people are unwilling to be flexible in attempts to understand what I mean (which is usually more subtle than colloquial conversation), then I generally let them be offended or confused. If I circumlocute and they refuse to recognize my meaning and get stuck on the meaning that they 'heard' from the word I used ("but that's not what you said!" *sigh* "I don't care what I said; listen to what I meant!") then I throw my hands up in exasperation (not to mention exacerbation). In other words, for a lot of people (including INTJs for that matter) conversations get stuck by Semantics.

    I can only wonder what this looks like from the other side, but I very much imagine that this sort of dynamic is what creates some of the stand-offish reputation that INTJs can achieve (because we refuse to fit our ideas into other people's box-like view of the world).

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