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    One thing I've noticed that my daughter does is that she treats people that are not her family/friends/teachers sort of like flies she can't be bothered to swat.

    She is a for-real salt of the earth person in that she's honest, responsible, benevolent, etc, but she does not suffer fools gladly so not everyone gets to see how great she is.

    In middle school, she had a reputation for not responding at all when people she didn't like (and I don't mean that she necessarily disliked them, either) spoke to her. She might look at them for a second to identify them, but that's all.

    People don't always know how to take that kind of thing. I think it's pretty hilarious, though.
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    INTJs think like dams. They build up all this knowledge behind a wall of what they believe is logic and objective insight, but they can't allow any doubt to creep in, otherwise little cracks would form and it could all come crashing through. They tend to be annoying because they only collect or believe information that supports the way they see the world.

    For example, here is a simplified INTJ conversation....

    INTJ: The number of car accidents in this state has gone up this year and I blame drunk driving.
    INFJ: Ok, but there isn't any evidence to show that there are more drunk driving related accidents in the state so there could be other causes.
    INTJ: Drunk driving is responsible for most accidents in this country.
    INFJ: Ok, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the upward trend in this case is due to more drunk driving.
    INTJ: Are you saying that there wouldn't be fewer accidents if there were fewer drunk drivers?
    INFJ: That is beside the point, you are suggesting that there are more accidents in this state because of drunk driving, despite not having any evidence that there are more drunk driving related accidents.
    INTJ: Last year, 76% of accidents were caused by drunk drivers in this state. I would say that is evidence this state has a drunk driving problem.
    INFJ: Yes, the state has a problem, but that doesn't mean that the recent rise in accidents were due to drunk drivers.

    Do you see the pattern? The INFJ keeps suggesting something is wrong with the INTJ's argument. But the INTJ, rather than address the flaw in his thinking, continues to build an argument for why he believes drunk driving is responsible for the rise in accidents. This is typically the pattern of most conversations I have had with INTJs.

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    My INTJ friends are not generally rude.. and they don't seem to enjoy it when they are. They don't like cursing or hurting people intentionally. So anything rude they say will feel less hurting.

    Only time I've been hurt by their behavior is when my INTJ friend decided to practically draw away from our friendship one time. He "didn't find any use for our meetings" as he said of our group of mutual friends. After few months of evading, I pressed more to ask what's the matter.. and he explained he has family (brothers, sisters, father), and it's enough to meet them, so he doesn't need any more socializing than that.

    It was like that for about a year, after which he started to want to see people more. Anyways, a good friend. Still, their coolness doesn't serve every occasion well.

    They have noticeably good intentions in almost any situation I've seen.. their ability to think, listen and to analyze a bit comes very handy when something needs to be understood.

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    Y'all seem to know some INTJs who lack a basic handle on critical argumentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    god, i miss my INTJ friend. conversations like that were the best.

    however, my version would be more like:

    INTJ: The number of car accidents in this state has gone up this year and I blame drunk driving.
    ME: it's possible.
    INTJ: no, it's more likely than not.
    ME: that too is possible, but who knows for sure?
    INTJ: i do
    ME: oh, really now.

    (IMing stops, and it's silently understood that the race is on to find proof. him searching to prove he's right, and me to prove he's wrong.)

    *sigh*

    good times.
    That's funny.

    My most fun discussions are with an INTP who's got his back up:

    ME: The sky is blue.
    INTP: No it's not.
    ME: Yes it is. Look at it. It's blue.
    INTP: What do you mean by sky? What do you mean by blue?
    ME: Sky. You know, the air over our heads. Blue is a color. The air over our heads looks like the color blue, because the air refracts that color out of the sunlight.
    INTP: No it doesn't. The sky isn't actually blue, and if it was that still wouldn't prove that you're right about why.
    ME: Oh jeez. Get stuffed, willya?
    INTP: [blinks] I don't see why you have to be so hostile. Show some maturity, okay?

    These kinds of discussions... particularly over the internet... are why I mostly avoid arguments any more.

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    INTJ's tends to be blunt and to the point -- there is nothing that many people like less than being confronted with the uncomfortable or inconvenient truth. INTJ's also tend to be results-oriented rather than people-oriented. They act mostly in the interests of the main objective/s, rather than embracing the 'flavour of the month' They tend to stick to their guns in the face of pressure. They are not interested in conforming to being a 'team player' when in their view the team is acting unwisely or dysfunctionally. They have little regard for so-called soft skills such as networking. They don't indulge in unfounded optimism or positive thinking when logic, reason, and past experience tells them otherwise. And they are more often than not proved right. All of these characteristics are something of an anathema in the modern world, especially in the working environment. This is why INTJ's are often treated with suspicion and disdain, even though many of the people treating them that way have never heard of INTJ.
    INTJ bordering on ISTJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps646566 View Post
    INTJ's tends to be blunt and to the point -- there is nothing that many people like less than being confronted with the uncomfortable or inconvenient truth.
    Just to reverse this for a moment. It's been my experience with INTJs that they are neither blunt nor to the point. They only release what they feel comfortable in releasing, believing it to be a final solution and perfect, which seems to be why there is such a fuss made if you simply answer "no that's wrong". Also they are quite the opposite of being blunt, very rarely getting to any kind of serious point they are more akin to fencers, darting about and stabbing wildly.

    In the deeper conversations I've had with my INTJ friend I've had to spend quite a lot of time and effort breaking down the glib repeated answers to try and get at what is beneath only to find that what lies beneath the "final solution" hasn't been investigated properly and is, too my mind, ill formed.

    I admit that I am hardly unimpeachable in the regard of good foundation work but this is usually worse with hastily constructed reinforcement slapped in one what seem to be the places where criticism is levelled.

    Oh and if you want blunt in our group you go and see the ENFJ.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bai_lin83 View Post
    Why do a lot of people seem to have lots of negative views about INTJs?
    Because, try as hard as they might, they'll *never* be INTPs.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Interestingly enough there is even a thread about what a polite forum it is. There have been many stereotypes about INTJs in other contexts which always seemed a little suspect to me. I find INTJs to be efficient in avoiding unnecessary conflicts, but still communicating directly and without additional layers of social decorum.
    Definitely. There is usually not much pussyfooting going on. I enjoy how direct and clean the communication often is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Because, try as hard as they might, they'll *never* be INTPs.
    Uh huh. There's the real deal.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    +1 Subs.

    INTJs tend to have the coldest disconnection sometimes. Like the room just froze over. I hate that. It's so difficult to pull yourself back and not try to find out what happened (which only seems to make things worse).
    That isn't really consistent with the order of functions. Of all the NTs they have the stronger placement of inner feeling and values:


    INTP = Ti Ne Si Fe
    ENTJ = Te Ni Se Fi
    ENTP = Ne Ti Fe Si
    INTJ = Ni Te Fi Se
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