simulatedworld
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Hmmm, the ISTP I know LOVES physics, hates Philosophy, but loves to philosophize, if that makes sense, and he will dabble in hypothetical logic problems.
In fact, he is BIG on contingency thinking/planning, which, in a way, is hypothetical logic problem solving, right?
Sure. There are also INTPs interested in the ISTP stuff I listed. These are just general trends.
You are right, that he likes to tinker with "toys", but to be honest, he spends more time tinkering with software than he does with actually taking the computer apart. Whereas, his ESTP best friend is BIG into tinkering with electronics and works on building computers.
Yes, the Se doms are more into the physical experience of working with it than Se aux types, but there's still some kind of pattern there. Tinkering with software is probably related to Ti in this instance.
Also, regarding automechanics, this is IMPORTANT sim, and this is where I am confused the most, the ISTP I know cares and spends a lot more time understanding the mechanics than actually tinkering with them, hence my confusion!!!
That's cool. You're right that Ti is more interested in understanding the system than in applying it to something, but when Se gets involved it encourages us to use hands-on approach to improve that understanding when necessary.
The one ISTP you know doesn't have to fit every ISTP stereotype to be an ISTP. Maybe he places unusually low emphasis on Se. Some ISTPs focus on Ti+Ni and have trouble relating their ideas directly to anything real in the external world...working on Se is usually the cure for this.
I will frequently ask him how things work, from computers to engines, to planes, and I am floored by how knowledgeable he is in all of these fields/areas, he understands not only the parts, but the physics behind the systems that make these parts work.
^Is that Ti?
Probably. The way these mechanical systems work represents a real and tangible interaction between real and tangible objects. The ISTP can envision how these processes map to real experiences and so understanding the dynamics of how they work is interesting.
ISTPs tend to be less interested in understanding systems that can't be applied to some kind of "real" process that can be envisioned and understood directly. Like say...quantum physics. A lot of that stuff is pretty abstract and hard to relate to anything real. Much more the domain of NTPs (though I'm sure there do exist STPs who are interested in it.)
Hmm, the ISTPs I know are definitely all about strategy, but the one I am specifically talking about works and values physics, math, and statistical patterns/procedures like crazy. (He's a civil engineer)
Civil engineer--interested in the governing principles behind processes (Ti) that he can see applying to real systems in the world around him (Se.)
Now, here is where I have to disagree with you entirely.
The ISTPs I know don't care much about people, in general, and are pretty piss-poor at reading social cues.
Social cues =/= physical cues. Physical cues are things like, "I noticed he looked to the side and hesitated slightly before announcing his bet, and when he does that he's usually not confident", etc.
There's nothing social about it--consciously applied social cues are more related to Fe. This is about the dynamics of physical mannerisms that people unconsciously exhibit and that can be mapped out and exploited to build a more complete model of how that person operates.
As types with inferior Fe, they're not usually too interested in social niceties because that doesn't relate to mapping out any systems they find interesting.
I notice here, that you switched to STPs, instead of ISTPs, and I have definitely seen/observed/witnessed a VAST difference between these two types.
ESTPs are people-persons.
Much more privy to relating with/towards people, ISTPs, however...
Not so much.
Do you think the STPs you speak of are in fact ESTPs?
Some of them are, and the parts about involving direct hands-on experience and noticing physical cues are more applicable to ESTPs than to ISTPs, but definitely also apply to ISTPs in many situations.