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    Waterfall of words is more of an ENTP trait than an INTP trait. INTPs are far more selective in their word choices- your INTP is trying to convince you that his words are NOT carefully selected, when in fact they actually are. We're looking at Ti/Ne here- INTPs prefer to think before they act. ENTPs, on the other hand, being Ne dominant, are far more likely to say a whole lot of things without having thought them through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    I explained that my ENTP friend had told me "Anytime W the INTP tells you something, he usually is calling you stupid"

    I told him my reply to my ENTP had been "Well, it doesnt matter as W really is, will always be, and always has been smarter than me. There is no question of this, and he pretty much calls everyone stupid, so it isnt a big deal. It's funny."

    He actually laughed a little, blushed, seemed bashful, then started saying "well you shouldnt worry about what I say, but instead treat it like a waterfall of words. It isnt what I say, it's how I say it."
    He's fanning the flames of your fandom. He absorbed the compliment you gave him ("always will be smarter than me") and tried to take the sting off of it (since, you did compliment him), while implicitly agreeing (with you and the ENTP), so that you continue to keep him in a positive light.

    Him being smarter than others != others being stupid. It just simply means he's smarter than them.

    So, he's trying to say that you should look at him playfully when he gives off the vibe that he thinks others are stupid. I.e., thanks for finding how I insult people cute (as in, keep on not minding that I do, indeed, insult them - what he says).

    "waterfall of words"

    It's an Fe-appealing-to-abstract-whimsy sugar-coated line if I ever saw one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Hatter View Post
    Sounds pretty much like me
    People often don't know whether I'm being serious or joking .
    People get me all the time perfectly, must be an intp thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    He's fanning the flames of your fandom. He absorbed the compliment you gave him ("always will be smarter than me") and tried to take the sting off of it (since, you did compliment him), while implicitly agreeing (with you and the ENTP), so that you continue to keep him in a positive light.

    Him being smarter than others != others being stupid. It just simply means he's smarter than them.

    So, he's trying to say that you should look at him playfully when he gives off the vibe that he thinks others are stupid. I.e., thanks for finding how I insult people cute (as in, keep on not minding that I do, indeed, insult them - what he says).

    "waterfall of words"

    It's an Fe-appealing-to-abstract-whimsy sugar-coated line if I ever saw one.
    Now-if this had come from an ENTP, I'd agree with everything you say here. I would be really pissed actually because I would recognize the need for fandom, recognize it was an insult aimed at increasing thier status relative to mine and Te kick them in the nuts.

    But in an INTP? Are you sure? How much external validation does an INTP need of their ideas or intelligence? I dunno...How much external validation does an INFP need for their feelings? Not as much as an ENFP, that's for sure!

    There is a funny ENFP-INTP relationship thing you see people talk about here now and then. It is so obvious that we are not judging the world the same way. Unlike with an ENFP/ENTP, there is no mistaking we might end up at the same answer-thus a level of honesty from the start. So instead we both just kinda laugh, mutually misunderstand each other, make fun of each other and keep on truckin. Not a lot of conversation, but some giggles and blushing? I'd like to hear more about the intp view of this.

    This INTP and I just won a huge, yet silent battle at work. I use him for his Ti and he uses me for my tert Te and idealism. He provides the correct answers and I fight to get them implemented in spite of the ENTP politics. We won and continue to win and are close (?).

    It is odd to have a close friendship/partnership, know and understand this, yet not actually talk much about anything with that person. He has my back and I have his. I dunno, it's very strange. (No romance-he is very happily married-just an understanding of commitment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaisahero View Post
    Waterfall of words is more of an ENTP trait than an INTP trait. INTPs are far more selective in their word choices- your INTP is trying to convince you that his words are NOT carefully selected, when in fact they actually are. We're looking at Ti/Ne here- INTPs prefer to think before they act. ENTPs, on the other hand, being Ne dominant, are far more likely to say a whole lot of things without having thought them through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    Now-if this had come from an ENTP, I'd agree with everything you say here. I would be really pissed actually because I would recognize the need for fandom, recognize it was an insult aimed at increasing thier status relative to mine and Te kick them in the nuts.
    So, if it was coming from an ENTP you would be mistrustful, but because it's:
    (1) coming from an INTP
    (2) one you like/are close to/respect

    ...you will not?

    Why the double-standard? Could it be your perception of their types (thus, supposed motivation) are clouding how you're processing this?

    At the end, beyond Fi-bias, an insult is an insult. If it's given by a loud-mouth asshole, yes, likely, most people will get their feathers ruffled. But, if it's coming from the quiet, contemplative, respectable dude, then the insult transforms?

    Maybe it should be, 'not how it is said, but, who says it?' - to me, that doesn't hold much weight: the parameters of an insult changing because of who said it.

    I personally will likely forgive someone much faster for the same insult that another I do not like makes, but, I acknowledge my blatant bias in it, when I act like this.

    But in an INTP? Are you sure? How much external validation does an INTP need of their ideas or intelligence? I dunno...How much external validation does an INFP need for their feelings? Not as much as an ENFP, that's for sure!
    Every type wants external validation in different forms. No type lives in a bubble unto themselves, there's always some aspect of manifestation into the real external world, each type seeks.

    If the INTP has thought it out to that degree that it gets manifested externally, unlike the ENTP, that thought is likely to be held with much greater conviction than it would in an ENTP (we say shyte just to say it). They may not look for external validation of their ideas as much (does this work? Wouldn't it be cool if? - like the ENTP), but, I'd think, they'd want it to make more of a commentary on their intellectual competence (yes, it's brilliantly sound, it will work!).

    In this way, INTPs thrive on external validation of ideas or intelligence. They want to be acknowledged as intellectually competent.

    This is why he likely calls those others "stupid", which is one of the greatest insults given by them, because they're saying that the person is not intellectually competent (something he holds to the highest regard).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Why the double-standard? Could it be your perception of their types (thus, supposed motivation) are clouding how you're processing this?
    I have to run to a meeting-but you are seeing the ENFP sliding scale of forgiveness in play here. Yup, the same insult from different people will be "felt" differently, based upon mountains of intangible Fi goo. Many thoughts here....

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    man those ENFPs can really move mountains..
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    man those ENFPs can really move mountains..
    More like throw ourselves under them. Rather pathetic actually.

    Dont make me use the Fi gooey look on you. It will terrify you and burn scars onto your soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    But in an INTP? Are you sure? How much external validation does an INTP need of their ideas or intelligence? I dunno...How much external validation does an INFP need for their feelings? Not as much as an ENFP, that's for sure!
    Absolutely certain.

    The INTP isn't getting off on your praise- he's getting off on the fact that your praise proves his conjecture about you, himself and the general state of affairs of everything in between. The theoretical physicist might be spending all his time in his internal world, but surely it is a joyous occasion for him when the external world proves his theories to be true!

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