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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    I actually find, in my personal case, a negative relation between being a loner and narcissism.
    hmmm.

    I don't know about your case.

    a lot of INTX's retreat into narcissism the worse they are faring socially, as you can see on forums. not the vain kind of narcissism that looks to be considered attarctive, funny popular (the least harmful kind I read in some source the value of which I don't know), but the kind of cerebral narcissism that explains their rejection by the fact that they are "superior" and retreats into all kinds of elitist and misanthropic notions, sometimes along with fantasies of power and/or recognition of their superiority.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    [QUOTE=SUPER;1036157]
    I dont see how any of that is Se. We had a huge Gatorade jug of water since it was so hot outside... one of our favorite things to do was pouring it on our ESTP lead hand right before it was time to go home. Guess who usually was right beside me helping? An ENTJ. I'd also ask estp leadhand to leave the truck while he smoked, and then get in the drivers seat and drive away leaving him in the middle of no where. heh. He'd do shit like that to us to. That whole job we'd play jokes on each other, mostly summer students(us) against the full timers.
    Well I found your posts here pretty funny, but that sounds like classic SP behaviour to be fair.

    "Using their intuition to process this information, they are usually extremely quick and accurate in their ability to size up a situation. With the exception of their ENFP cousin, the ENTP has a deeper understanding of their environment than any of the other types."
    Probably more in the wider theoretical sense though or the deeper sense of "seeing through" people on a deeper level.

    An ESTP would definitely be better at udnerstanding the concrete tasks of a job, and of understanding how to behave socially in the immediate sense in order to get a positive reaction or "get one over someone"/take an opportunity in a flash. Kind of like all the things you described above.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

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    It's easier to be narcissistic when you have friends to display your narcissistic views to.
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    sounds like classic SP behaviour to be fair.

    Nah.

    Hearing a song and dancing along with it feeling the beat. That's SP behavior.

    Hearing a song and listening to the lyrics, analyzing the purpose of the song, picking at the lyrics to see if they makes sense, mocking the lyrics, etc. that's NT behavior.

    I relate to the latter.



    EDIT: and here's another SP vs NT thing that I grew up with. My dad (ISTP) always encouraged my to get into a skilled trade (carpenter, plumber, roofer, etc) where I'd be working with my hands. I always hated that idea because I knew those jobs would never provide enough mental stimulation. I ended going to school and studying psychology.



    I'm def not SP. I grew up in a family full of them. So they may have rubbed off on me. But I know SP's, and I'm not one. I find it almost impossible to "let loose" and live in the moment like SPs do.

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    An ESTP would definitely be better at udnerstanding the concrete tasks of a job
    lol like I said man, you mow the lawn up and down. It's very simple. Anyone should be able to understand that concrete task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPER View Post
    Nah.

    Hearing a song and dancing along with it feeling the beat. That's SP behavior.

    Hearing a song and listening to the lyrics, analyzing the purpose of the song, picking at the lyrics to see if they makes sense, mocking the lyrics, etc. that's NT behavior.

    I relate to the latter.



    EDIT: and here's another SP vs NT thing that I grew up with. My dad (ISTP) always encouraged my to get into a skilled trade (carpenter, plumber, roofer, etc) where I'd be working with my hands. I always hated that idea because I knew those jobs would never provide enough mental stimulation. I ended going to school and studying psychology.



    I'm def not SP. I grew up in a family full of them. So they may have rubbed off on me. But I know SP's, and I'm not one. I find it almost impossible to "let loose" and live in the moment like SPs do.
    I'm not saying you are an SP as I don't know you, just that based on your descriptions you don't seem to get the difference between se and Ne from your descriptions of them.

    Ne is not what you described. Working out the meaning of a song and the lyrics and purpose can be skilled Se, Se can read people and situations it isn't just purely "living in the moment".

    Ne is more like if instead ofhearing the lyrics of the song, you were thinking about something not directly related to what was happening and going on around you.

    Also I can't see why an SP wouldn't study psychology, not all SP's will work with their hands. A clever ESTP with strong Ti could easily excel academically and enjoy education.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    I'm not saying you are an SP as I don't know you, just that based on your descriptions you don't seem to get the difference between se and Ne from your descriptions of them.

    Ne is not what you described. Working out the meaning of a song and the lyrics and purpose can be skilled Se, Se can read people and situations it isn't just purely "living in the moment".
    Wait a minute. Did my post even say "Ne" anywhere? It said NT, not Ne. I was describing how NT and SP react differently. I wasn't describing Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPER View Post




    Wait a minute. Did my post even say "Ne" anywhere? It said NT, not Ne. I was describing how NT and SP react differently. I wasn't describing Ne.
    Well I "read between the lines" of your post rather than concentrating exactly on what you said - something NT's do, and get criticized for by SP's often.

    The whole question was whether you are ENTP or ESTP. Now, why would an ENTP react differently to an ESTP if not for the Ne vs Se differentiation? They share Ti as their secondary and Fe as their tertiary functions.

    Sorry but the only way any of what you said makes any sense, is if you were referring to Se vs Ne.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Just my two cents:

    One might say my INFJ foreman, both of my NT ex-bfs, and I should not, for all intents and purposes, enjoy heavy equipment, heavy physical labor, being covered in oil and grime, and managing dangerous engines, but we were there. We loved the machines for many of the same reasons as the SPs and SJs that surrounded us.

    In my experience, extroverted NTs can sound *very* sensory. My ENTJ best friend comes off as an ESTJ frequently and even tests as one sometimes, but so many other ENTJs I know well. Speak to them for a minute, and you'll know they're N dominants. Consider that an extroverted NT might be more inclined to test the waters, try the fugu, take a dare, etc because they're experiencers. They want to see what happens when XYZ occurs, even if it seems perhaps inadvisable.

    On the other hand, I've also known S-primaries to seem very N unless you examine them closely. I wouldn't take certain "traits", per se, such as pursuits and hobbies, to delineate one's entire image of a person until you can see how they apply themselves or how they were raised.
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