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[NT] ENTP or INTP...hmmmmmmmmmmm

Asterion

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INTP transformation after showering and brushing teeth

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still gonna get mashed up by the predator, just so you know :coffee:
 

Little_Sticks

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INTP knows how to trap Predator. You sure you don't want to reconsider your position on the matter?
 

Unique

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<< Crazy asshole INTP right here

Has nothing to do with confidence or socialness
 

mrcockburn

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I thought ENTP for the longest time. I could see INTP too though. I'm not very social (could be due to variant stacking sx/sp.. or upbringing as both parents are introverts)... but when I'm forced into a social situation I love talking to different people. I like going out if there's a plan but dont like going out if ppl are just chilling in a parking lot or something lame like that. I relate more to ENFPs than INFPs.

Its weird, depending on who you talk to and where I know them from, they'd say I'm the most introverted laid back person ever or the craziest asshole they know. :coffee:

Any sure fire ways to tell an ENTP from INTP?


EDIT: nevermind, pretty sure im entp and theres already enough threads on entp/intp differences, why cant i delete this thread

Tap that ass.

... :cheese:

Anyway, I had myself automatically pegged as an INTP, too. The fact is, I "blah" out easily when alone. I get much more energy when I DO end up interacting with people. Thing is, I'm quite self-conscious - partly because I don't want to interact with people unless I look my best (what? do YOU want to face someone if you have coffee breath or if you have ketchup on your shirt?) and also, I am EXTREMELY blunt and goofy when I do get to talking with people, so I try not to put people in that situation, esp. if they seem like conventional, formal "SJ" types.

Just groove around the forums and concentrate on posts by INTP and ENTPs, and you'll probably quickly identify which sounds more like you. INTP's are really into deep-thought philosophy and computers, and ENTPs seem more into travelling and mad-scientist type of things for instance. ENTP's seem more ROFL and INTP's seem more "heh" in their humor, to use an sound-effect analogy.

(That's not scientifically proven, but it's my casual observation).

I will shut up, but you got me started. See?
 

entropie

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I think the difference between the 2 aint that great at all, moreso considering function deployment. Most people like to think about the entp being more the life of the party than the intp but I think that doesnt work. We had this intresting discussion once in which we thought about what does a man become who grow up at the northpole ? Is he destinied to become an I cause he lives there alone and cant never really try any sort of social extroversion.

That's the point too in which I like to divide between social extroversion and mbti extroversion, because I think they dont have much in common. In mbti terms, you can easily see the difference between the too, if you know the intp uses a rational function first and the entp an irrational. That should lead in a discussion the intp to appear much more rigid or decisive when it comes to voicing his opinion or you'ld need some time of talking to him to convince him of an opinion. Furthermore a primarily rational type is more inclined to actually have an opinion on a topic, while I myself for example like to take on several positions in a discussion and do change sides frequently to create some chaos. Sometimes I do that to prove a point and sometimes I side with the one I feel closest too. Such kind of behaviour most prolly would be evil too an intp.

So whatever you do, dont confuse mbti extroversion with social extroversion. Social extroversion has much more variables influencing it and there are indeed many Es who can be isolated and thinkers of their own in the place they live in
 

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Tap that ass.

... :cheese:

Anyway, I had myself automatically pegged as an INTP, too. The fact is, I "blah" out easily when alone. I get much more energy when I DO end up interacting with people. Thing is, I'm quite self-conscious - partly because I don't want to interact with people unless I look my best (what? do YOU want to face someone if you have coffee breath or if you have ketchup on your shirt?) and also, I am EXTREMELY blunt and goofy when I do get to talking with people, so I try not to put people in that situation, esp. if they seem like conventional, formal "SJ" types.

Just groove around the forums and concentrate on posts by INTP and ENTPs, and you'll probably quickly identify which sounds more like you. INTP's are really into deep-thought philosophy and computers, and ENTPs seem more into travelling and mad-scientist type of things for instance. ENTP's seem more ROFL and INTP's seem more "heh" in their humor, to use an sound-effect analogy.

(That's not scientifically proven, but it's my casual observation).

I will shut up, but you got me started. See?


Gotcha, but did you also miss the edit in OP?
 

visaisahero

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How to tell whether you're an ENTP or INTP

If you're an INTP, your functions are Ti, Ne, Si, and inferior Fe
If you're an ENTP, your functions are Ne, Ti, Fe, and inferior Si

Notice that all four functions are the same. Both ENTPs and INTPs like concepts, theories, introspection and understanding things. The primary differences are as follows-

Inferior functions: ENTPs have inferior Si, so we tend to be bad at learning from our mistakes or noticing small details. INTPs are relatively better at this.

INTPs have inferior Fe, so they tend to be relatively bad at relating to other people and/or sharing their feelings. ENTPs are relatively better at this.

^this usually should be able to sort you out pretty easily. If you're still unsure:

Dominant/Secondary functions:The ENTP's dominant function is Ne, so we love to theorize, to observe patterns and to try and make all sorts of connections between all sorts of fields. We tend to love to discuss our ideas with people who can understand them. We come up with all these postulations and theories on the fly, and then we process them with out secondary function, Ti. Introverted thinking is what we do when we need to weed out the unnecessary bits and refine our ideas.

On the contrary, INTPs are Ti dominant and have secondary Ne. They begin from a more logical and rational perspective than ENTPs, who are more willing to go crazy outside. INTPs do tend to go crazy on the inside, and this sometimes leaks out- but ultimately they spend more time in their internal world than the external. They tend to come up with fully formed ideas before sharing them with the world, whereas ENTPs tend to like to improvise with works-in-progress and just wing it. As a result, INTPs tend to have more mental fortitude and stamina than ENTPs, who are both more likely to slip up and more likely to forgive the slip-ups of others.
 

Fluxkom

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How to tell whether you're an ENTP or INTP

If you're an INTP, your functions are Ti, Ne, Si, and inferior Fe
If you're an ENTP, your functions are Ne, Ti, Fe, and inferior Si

Notice that all four functions are the same. Both ENTPs and INTPs like concepts, theories, introspection and understanding things. The primary differences are as follows-

Inferior functions: ENTPs have inferior Si, so we tend to be bad at learning from our mistakes or noticing small details. INTPs are relatively better at this.

INTPs have inferior Fe, so they tend to be relatively bad at relating to other people and/or sharing their feelings. ENTPs are relatively better at this.

^this usually should be able to sort you out pretty easily. If you're still unsure:

Dominant/Secondary functions:The ENTP's dominant function is Ne, so we love to theorize, to observe patterns and to try and make all sorts of connections between all sorts of fields. We tend to love to discuss our ideas with people who can understand them. We come up with all these postulations and theories on the fly, and then we process them with out secondary function, Ti. Introverted thinking is what we do when we need to weed out the unnecessary bits and refine our ideas.

On the contrary, INTPs are Ti dominant and have secondary Ne. They begin from a more logical and rational perspective than ENTPs, who are more willing to go crazy outside. INTPs do tend to go crazy on the inside, and this sometimes leaks out- but ultimately they spend more time in their internal world than the external. They tend to come up with fully formed ideas before sharing them with the world, whereas ENTPs tend to like to improvise with works-in-progress and just wing it. As a result, INTPs tend to have more mental fortitude and stamina than ENTPs, who are both more likely to slip up and more likely to forgive the slip-ups of others.

This nailed it.
I was unsure as well. However now I convinced myself 100% of being an ENTP Awesome Super Power Hero!
 

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First, I do not believe in the arrangement of the cognitive processes. I only believe in the arrangement of the first two (e.g., Ne and Ti or vice versa). I don't necessarily believe that Fe or Si should be the third or fourth, necessarily.

In tests, I do score as having a high Fi, near balanced with Ti, and I don't think my Si or Fe are stronger than my Fi, so that already puts the arrangement theory in question.

Not to mention that the definition of the E/I duality in psychology differs from the conventional usage. And MBTI has not clearly stated where it stands in the duality.

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Though in my personal experience, I consider hardcore, very Ti-dominant INTPs to be those archetypes acting as intellectual posers on the web, seemingly nothing else on their lives that is going for them, while the mature ENTPs have somehow evolved from that, having more character flexibilty, and thus haviung the less need to throw their Ti around.

As much as possible I don't wanna define things based on how much a theory defines it.
 

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I only believe in the arrangement of the first two (e.g., Ne and Ti or vice versa). I don't necessarily believe that Fe or Si should be the third or fourth, necessarily.

same here, but i do believe that usually the fourth function for intp is Fe etc. or at least its more likely Fe than Se for example
 

visaisahero

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Cypocalypse:

"In tests, I do score as having a high Fi, near balanced with Ti, and I don't think my Si or Fe are stronger than my Fi, so that already puts the arrangement theory in question. "

It is COMPLETELY possible for your Fi to be stronger than your Fe and Si. I am very certain that it is the same case for me. I don't understand why that puts the arrangement theory in question. To put it in simple logic-

Suppose
A > B > X > Z

and

C > X

there is no contradiction here at all. A > B > X > Z still holds. In your case, it would be A > B > C > X > Z, where C represents your Fi.

I think you might have misunderstood the concept, thinking perhaps that the 4 functions not mentioned (in your case, Fi, Ni, Te, Se) are absent altogether, or too weak to be considered. That's silly! ENTPs most certainly have Fi, Ni Te and Se- I would say these are our "regular" functions, functions that we can choose to develop if we wanted to. They are neither strengths nor weaknesses, and our likely usage of them is probably shaped by external factors rather than internal, depending on things like your family upbringing or your chosen profession.

That said, even then the usage of functions to me is just a general guideline; an observable pattern rather than a fixed rule.

Most of the INTPs I know seem to have inferior Fe and most of the ENTPs I know seem to have inferior Si. Amongst them, even those who have developed their supposed-inferior functions well often seem to prefer not to engage it if possible. This is of course, as you might be quick to point out, restricted to the limitations of my personal experience!

But it provides the best working "basic framework/model of understanding" for me right now, so I use it quite liberally- though I am very open to looking at alternatives.

What I mean, in essence, is that even if it were not completely established as hard fact, it provides the seemingly safest and most accurate hypothesis about a person's motivations. You might argue that it's best not to allow yourself to have preconceived notions about a person, but personally I think that's impossible so we might as well progress to the next best thing.
 

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I'd say that there was a fair amount of ENTPs that are not the most sociable in the world. In normal language a fair proportion probably see themselves as introverted... ie prefering smaller social groups.

In MBTI langauge however E means as Kat says pointed out energiesed by sharing and growing of ideas.

There was a thread a while back about either NTs or ENTPs socialising, which it was aagreed by some that ENTPs can sometimes play up a larger audience/socail group by becoming a personification of themselves... actually someone who iritates themselves... but actualyl they are more comfortable in smaller mor eintimate groups which have less social pressure.

I think NTs often suffer from social akwardness
 

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I find it hard to measure my place in the I/E duality.

Most of my friends consider me an extrovert but I find myself to be eccentric enough to be fully effective in my sociability. Or maybe I should consider sociability a totally different thing from I and E.

I sometimes think that I may pretentiously consider myself E, but looking at my INTP acquaintances, they can be too weird or ill-mannered for me to compare myself with. Probably it's easier with the healthier INTP, but the stereotypical know-it-all, shizoid, forum posing INTPs, not really.
 

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I find it hard to measure my place in the I/E duality.

Most of my friends consider me an extrovert but I find myself to be eccentric enough to be fully effective in my sociability. Or maybe I should consider sociability a totally different thing from I and E.

I sometimes think that I may pretentiously consider myself E, but looking at my INTP acquaintances, they can be too weird or ill-mannered for me to compare myself with. Probably it's easier with the healthier INTP, but the stereotypical know-it-all, shizoid, forum posing INTPs, not really.

Have you also considered the possibility you may be a disgruntled INTJ?
 

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I'd say that there was a fair amount of ENTPs that are not the most sociable in the world. In normal language a fair proportion probably see themselves as introverted... ie prefering smaller social groups.

In MBTI langauge however E means as Kat says pointed out energiesed by sharing and growing of ideas.

There was a thread a while back about either NTs or ENTPs socialising, which it was aagreed by some that ENTPs can sometimes play up a larger audience/socail group by becoming a personification of themselves... actually someone who iritates themselves... but actualyl they are more comfortable in smaller mor eintimate groups which have less social pressure.

I think NTs often suffer from social akwardness

About smaller vs bigger groups... why not, but it depends.

I'd say that when I have to speak in front of a large audience, the feeling is ambivalent: of course, there is awkwardness, more like a stage fright. But in the same time, once I get past these first moments of doubts, I feel more in touch with myself than ever: it just comes naturally shortly afterwards.

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The main issue with large audiences is rather their lack of response. And the ENTP mind thrive on dialogs, not on monologues. If we put our ideas "out of our head", and discuss them openly with anybody anywhere, it's because we enjoy to test them in front of an audience: it's the way we shape them, the way they take form.
So a limited group of people might be more suitable for this task.
 
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