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    The reason why I am placing this here is because of personal stuff. Plus this thread is not just about me.


    I would like to ask other forum members to give me the reasons why I can't be a ENTJ by their opinion. (or why I can be)


    Recently I have done alot of deep soulsearching and I have realzed why I am what I am. However I would like opinions of others before I give my explanation why I am eNTJ. (but I could be wrong about this whole thing, especially since I could be iNTJ )


    Also I am curious if other expressed NTJs came to conclusion that E/I thing does not work well in their case ?

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    I always thought myself to be introverted. My bluntness can often turn people away. My arrogance, in my mind, places me above others. I feel generally unsympathetic toward how people feel.

    That being said, every test I take labels me an extrovert. I enjoy attention, and discussion. No concept concerns me more than complete isolation and solitude. I find trouble focusing when I'm by myself. I feel generally unenergetic when left to myself. When I discuss with others, when I collaborate, when I [strike]teach[/strike]pontificate, I get a rush of energy. My mind works faster and better with the pressure of discussing with another person. I've always been one that performs best under pressure. Talking with other people gives me a rush of importance, which gives me a rush of energy. In the spotlight, I feel enthused and energetic. I feel alive.

    In recent months I find myself increasingly more isolated in my personal life. At this time, I have no friends that live nearby. I don't know how to meet people - they've always just been there. I wonder if this points to me being an introvert. I don't know. I do miss having a social life. It's an almost crippling experience and I wonder if I may be losing my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    The reason why I am placing this here is because of personal stuff. Plus this thread is not just about me.


    I would like to ask other forum members to give me the reasons why I can't be a ENTJ by their opinion. (or why I can be)


    Recently I have done alot of deep soulsearching and I have realzed why I am what I am. However I would like opinions of others before I give my explanation why I am eNTJ. (but I could be wrong about this whole thing, especially since I could be iNTJ )


    Also I am curious if other expressed NTJs came to conclusion that E/I thing does not work well in their case ?
    Antisocial one your name is Antisocial one. I do not think you are an E.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    I always thought myself to be introverted. My bluntness can often turn people away. My arrogance, in my mind, places me above others. I feel generally unsympathetic toward how people feel.

    That being said, every test I take labels me an extrovert. I enjoy attention, and discussion. No concept concerns me more than complete isolation and solitude. I find trouble focusing when I'm by myself. I feel generally unenergetic when left to myself. When I discuss with others, when I collaborate, when I [strike]teach[/strike]pontificate, I get a rush of energy. My mind works faster and better with the pressure of discussing with another person. I've always been one that performs best under pressure. Talking with other people gives me a rush of importance, which gives me a rush of energy. In the spotlight, I feel enthused and energetic. I feel alive.

    In recent months I find myself increasingly more isolated in my personal life. At this time, I have no friends that live nearby. I don't know how to meet people - they've always just been there. I wonder if this points to me being an introvert. I don't know. I do miss having a social life. It's an almost crippling experience and I wonder if I may be losing my mind.
    Introverts gain energy from being alone.
    Extroverts gain energy from being with other people.

    This doesnt mean an introvert has bad social skills, or that an extrovert will have lots of friends. The difference between them is needs, not capability, although an extrovert's need for social interaction might drive them into becoming better at said interaction.

    Just ask yourself this. If you have just come home after a tiring day at work, what would better rejuvenate you, going out with friends or staying home in some introverted activity?
    I hope I'm wrong, but I believe that he is a fraud, and I think despite all of his rhetoric about being a champion of the working class, it will turn out to be hollow -- Bernie Sanders on Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancynobullets View Post
    Just ask yourself this. If you have just come home after a tiring day at work, what would better rejuvenate you, going out with friends or staying home in some introverted activity?
    Staying at home and chatting to friends online. In pyjamas.

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    Ok since feedback is small I will explain my claim.

    I know that it is long but I had to make a case. (actually I have even droped some things out)




    There is a old question how to define extroversion in the first place.
    If extroversion is only about people than I am introvert. But if it is also about the environment in general my type can become a little bit blurred.


    Also I think I have found a little hole in MBTI. Which is that it presumes that you are living in normal and stabile western society.


    My parents were rising me in a way that the first time I actually needed to socialize is at the age of 5 (before that I was almost completely cut of from other children) So when I have came in kindergarten at the age of 5 I simply did not know what to do there. (what means that I have started my life with developed emotinal self-sufficienty)

    But after that I turned E. I could socialize every day with other childen for 6+ hours and do that every day. (and I really liked it)
    I mean this lasted for years this was not just a short period.


    However the love for people started to wane with time since most of them were too random and even too friendly for me. At home I had the same problem.

    The people who rised me for the most part were my eNFP mother ISFP father and ESFJ grandmother. However they never aprroved my Te and everything that stands behind this function.
    There were even cases when I got "accused" that my room is too clean or they where unhapply because I took garbage out (sounds unbelieveable but it is true)
    This is because they were one of those people what the packages in which the food was bought can be useful. Plus they totally lacked structure.
    I mean my father managed to late for hour and a half on his own wedding.
    (if the story is true)


    On the other hand I had that self-suficinecy in my background.
    So what I did ? I turned to video strategy games to get the sense of controle that I need so much as child. What boosted my NTJ side into extreme and since my Te was never that liked I turned to my a auxiliary and already learned self-suficinecy. I have tryed to change my parents by "forcing" structure on them but nothing happened. So over the years I bacame a crackpot that can stand on its own because of its experinces and NTJness.


    Take a look at my functions.



    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************* (21.1)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ************ (12.3)
    unused
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************ (36.5)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************************** * (51.7)
    excellent use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************************* (49)
    excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti)***************************************** (41.6)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********* (9)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ****************** (18)
    limited use


    Te and Ni are so close that it is totally subjective which one is actually stronger. On the other hand the first time I took the test I came out as a ENTJ and couple of other times I got Te stronger than Ni but I was still INTJ.
    But on all tests my Se was stronger than Fi (on every single one)
    What I think it could be a sign that I have runned away from Te since Ni gave better results and more comfort.
    (btw I think that my Ne and Ti are weaker but since I am very strong NT they are probably shown as stronger than they probably are)



    I mean I have very little balance in my current personality and I can defend with facts what tests are showing. (I know that 100% stand for 80 % actually)

    Example


    Your Type is
    INTJ
    Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
    Strength of the preferences %
    100 100 100 89

    However if you twist some questions.
    Like


    1.You change parties with meetings.
    2.You don't like to pick up your phone. But that is because in most of my cases on the other side are people that are doing market research or my 80 year old neighbour just want to say that she is out of electrisity and she wonders do I know why is that (and stuff like this)

    3.Or you just don't like fluff enought to talk to the most people but you can talk for a long time about more serious stuff.
    4.You don't like to go to the parties because the atmosphere is too SP for you. So you vote for "the book" that has intelectual charm to it.

    Etc.


    I get.

    Your Type is
    ENTJ
    Extraverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
    Strength of the preferences %
    33 100 100 89


    Since I have started to work on my social skills recently I have realized that in some elements I am too natural. For example I can take 3 hour phone call with with out too much problem. Also the forum members that had those 15+ hour PMing parties with me will know that I am hard to tire through "conversation" sometimes.


    My whole life I have serious issues with my environment/society is it too random or it is orgenized just for the sake of being organized.
    This is huge argument so I will skip it for now, However it is very important one since my NTJ part simply can't support most of things that are going on around me. While if i open my mouoth about it I will probably come as a asshole or smartass. (So I don't do this anymore that much)


    For example my Te is often useless in my education since the exact times of exams it is impossibel to know. It happened to me that my exam was postponed 3 times. Or they gave have two dates from which one was false but since the professor went on a trip there was no one there to say that one is false. Or they claim there will not be a verbal examination for months but the day before you should pick up your grade the guy sends you a e-mail that you have verbal examination tomorrow.
    I mean each of this cases in enough to destroy a plan so I tend not to make so strict plans as I would otherwise.



    So over the years I got a little bit schozoid and detached since I can't freely talk about what is on my mind. If my NTJ part is strong as the tests say that is an excelent explanation what I don't click with people. I simply offer too little fluff/Fe to click enough with them to be close with them. What is reasonable since towards the book Fe is the last function of ENTJs (even if they are Es)


    This could also explain why I don't relate to tertiary Fi. I simply don't have one. I have inferior Fi. What could explain well why I never got into Manga, movies, comic books or art that much. (and I had a number opportunities)


    Also I have realaized that I am probaly enneagram 8 instead of 5. I have always condidered that I am too intellectual for an 8 so I didn't pay that much attention to that type. Untill I came across a discription of 8 on this site. My detachment is not like 5. Instead it is just a manifestation of the desire of 8s not to be controled and it is keeping of the distance from what I percive as nonsense. (that is present all over a society)
    Also this can explain why I don't fit so well into science actually.


    What also makes sense if you consider that I can come as creepy to other people. I mean aloof 8 is probably the first that will look like that.

    Which is because my extroversion is simply disabled by a large number of factors. Since I have to overuse Ni to prevent myself from going insane.
    What prevented me from having fun in a typical ENTJ ways.
    Also as I have started to "lose" introversion lately nad I argue with people more than I used to. While I tryied to avoid this before.


    For example the reason why I have opened the thread about how introverts feel drained is because I don't feel this that much. Instead I will probably just dislike the activity they like.
    What could be a sign of repressed/long lost extroversion.
    (we can settle down this on vent)



    I mean for the years I have functioned as a INTJ. However when I search my feelings I am not sure that I am one.


    So is it reasonable to question if I could be a ENTJ (eNTJ to be exact) that went very wrong in some aspects of life ?
    Or my NTJ side is just overpowering my introversion ?

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    No one wants to try to comment this ?

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    Type tests are virtually useless when you've taken them multiple times and can essentially predict their results.

    Anyways, I don't find your "naturally sociable" examples convincing. I've created and held multi-hour chats over a variety of chat servers. I've had some long phone call as well, although the loud ringing noise created by the phone is the bane of my sanity. Actual conversations are fine, though. And while I can say both of the above honestly, I'm still an introvert.
    If a deaf INFP falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    Type tests are virtually useless when you've taken them multiple time and can essentially predict their results.
    I can defend that test results with real life facts.



    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    Type tests are virtually useless when you've taken them multiple times and can essentially predict their results.

    Anyways, I don't find your "naturally sociable" examples convincing. I've created and held multi-hour chats over a variety of chat servers. I've had some long phone call as well, although the loud ringing noise created by the phone is the bane of my sanity. Actual conversations are fine, though. And while I can say both of the above honestly, I'm still an introvert.
    Well I think similary. That is why I have made ending I did.
    However I wanted to throw this theory out.

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    There's a popular extension of MBTI that relates to Occam's Razor:

    An ENTJ that generally leads with Ni and acts highly introverted for most of life is an INTJ.
    If a deaf INFP falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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