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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    If type is a measure of values and preferences, how can it be that someone could prefer the abilities of Sensors but actually be an iNtuitive?
    Think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Think.
    Well I'm well aware that this can happen; it just contradicts her previous statement. This is a Ti thing; you prob wouldn't understand, but I guess I'll try out of sheer altruism.

    She said that:

    1) Type is a measure of preference/values, so someone who prefers Sensing skills would, by definition, be a Sensor.

    But she also said that:

    2) Someone may prefer/value the abilities of Sensors but still be an iNtuitive.

    Ya see the contradiction there?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    This is a Ti thing; you prob wouldn't understand, but I guess I'll try out of sheer altruism.
    You're right, I don't understand nonsense.

    She said that:

    1) Type is a measure of preference/values, so someone who prefers Sensing skills would, by definition, be a Sensor.

    But she also said that:

    2) Someone may prefer/value the abilities of Sensors but still be an iNtuitive.

    Ya see the contradiction there?
    Just because you see a contradiction, doesn't mean it exists.
    #1 is true.
    #2 is true.

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    I assure you, there is no contradiction there either.

    What one prefers, is not necessarily who they ARE.
    Preferences can easily be taught, if not downright pounded into people's head.

    An intuitive can choose S as their preference.
    A sensor can choose N as their preference.

    They can "prefer" whatever they damn well please.
    But it doesn't mean it's who they are.

    This is why putting so much effort into typing other people is absurd.
    I agree with Katsuni 100%.
    Only the person can type themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Only the person can type themselves.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You're right, I don't understand nonsense.



    Just because you see a contradiction, doesn't mean it exists.
    #1 is true.
    #2 is true.

    Pop Quiz: How can a homosexual man prefer a heterosexual woman but still be homosexual?
    I assure you, there is no contradiction there either.

    What one prefers, is not necessarily who they ARE.
    Preferences can easily be taught, if not downright pounded into people's head.

    An intuitive can choose S as their preference.
    A sensor can choose N as their preference.

    They can "prefer" whatever they damn well please.
    But it doesn't mean it's who they are.

    This is why putting so much effort into typing other people is absurd.
    I agree with Katsuni 100%.
    Only the person can type themselves.
    MBTI is based on what you prefer though isn't it? I think the distinction, is that you may prefer sensing at one point, but you only prefer it because of peer pressure... so really, you don't exactly prefer sensing, you've always naturally prefered intuition.
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    You forgot me on this list.
    You can call me Charles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You're right, I don't understand nonsense.



    Just because you see a contradiction, doesn't mean it exists.
    #1 is true.
    #2 is true.

    Pop Quiz: How can a homosexual man prefer a heterosexual woman but still be homosexual?
    I assure you, there is no contradiction there either.

    What one prefers, is not necessarily who they ARE.
    Preferences can easily be taught, if not downright pounded into people's head.

    An intuitive can choose S as their preference.
    A sensor can choose N as their preference.

    They can "prefer" whatever they damn well please.
    But it doesn't mean it's who they are.

    This is why putting so much effort into typing other people is absurd.
    I agree with Katsuni 100%.
    Only the person can type themselves.
    What a donk play. You've just pointed out that type is not determined by preference, which falls exactly in line with my point that "type is determined by preference" and "we can prefer a process not associated with our type" cannot simultaneously be true.

    Listen n00b, this is an obvious definitional problem. If you're going to define type as whatever the person's true ability is, you can't then turn around and also say that type is determined by preference. Duh.

    If you don't agree with the idea that type = preference, then fine, but surely even you don't have such tunnel vision that you can't see the obvious conflict here.

    You've insisted repeatedly that "TYPE IS A QUESTION OF PREFERENCE NOT ABILITY!!!" in any number of threads, and now here you are directly contradicting that.

    I happen to agree that type is more dependent upon your strongest natural abilities than upon which abilities you prefer to use, but the quoted post obviously contradicted itself by simultaneously claiming that:

    1) Type is determined by preference, and
    2) One can prefer an off-type function.

    Only one of these can be true--evidently you've chosen #2 (which I agree with), but you've also missed the point, which is simply that both cannot simultaneously be true.

    I think they have this class called "Critical Thinking" for this kind of shit, buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    What one prefers, is not necessarily who they ARE.
    Preferences can easily be taught, if not downright pounded into people's head.

    An intuitive can choose S as their preference.
    A sensor can choose N as their preference.

    They can "prefer" whatever they damn well please.
    But it doesn't mean it's who they are.
    I thought that in MBTI-typology who the person is, and his "preference" are kind of defined to mean the same thing? An intuitive person can choose to pay attention to sensory data more, but in (his) ideal world would still like to intuit most of the time.

    E: Ok, it's been said multiple times already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    What a donk play. You've just pointed out that type is not determined by preference, which falls exactly in line with my point that "type is determined by preference" and "we can prefer a process not associated with our type" cannot simultaneously be true.

    Listen n00b, this is an obvious definitional problem. If you're going to define type as whatever the person's true ability is, you can't then turn around and also say that type is determined by preference. Duh.

    If you don't agree with the idea that type = preference, then fine, but surely even you don't have such tunnel vision that you can't see the obvious conflict here.

    You've insisted repeatedly that "TYPE IS A QUESTION OF PREFERENCE NOT ABILITY!!!" in any number of threads, and now here you are directly contradicting that.

    I happen to agree that type is more dependent upon your strongest natural abilities than upon which abilities you prefer to use, but the quoted post obviously contradicted itself by simultaneously claiming that:

    1) Type is determined by preference, and
    2) One can prefer an off-type function.

    Only one of these can be true--evidently you've chosen #2 (which I agree with), but you've also missed the point, which is simply that both cannot simultaneously be true.

    I think they have this class called "Critical Thinking" for this kind of shit, buddy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    You're right, I don't understand nonsense.



    Just because you see a contradiction, doesn't mean it exists.
    #1 is true.
    #2 is true.

    Pop Quiz: How can a homosexual man prefer a heterosexual woman but still be homosexual?
    I assure you, there is no contradiction there either.

    What one prefers, is not necessarily who they ARE.
    Preferences can easily be taught, if not downright pounded into people's head.

    An intuitive can choose S as their preference.
    A sensor can choose N as their preference.

    They can "prefer" whatever they damn well please.
    But it doesn't mean it's who they are.

    This is why putting so much effort into typing other people is absurd.
    I agree with Katsuni 100%.
    Only the person can type themselves.
    you guys fight about the dumbest shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Well I'm well aware that this can happen; it just contradicts her previous statement. This is a Ti thing; you prob wouldn't understand, but I guess I'll try out of sheer altruism.

    She said that:

    1) Type is a measure of preference/values, so someone who prefers Sensing skills would, by definition, be a Sensor.

    But she also said that:

    2) Someone may prefer/value the abilities of Sensors but still be an iNtuitive.

    Ya see the contradiction there?
    Use some intuition and charity when reading. simply read #2 as implying "2) Someone may prefer/value the abilities of Sensors but still be an iNtuitive (in their actions/shared opinion/shared thoughts/teachings/etc)." and suddenly everyone can get along and reframe from the Ti pissing contest. No body likes critical people. Just keep your "wrongly used Ti!" paranoia in check . If you had just shifted your perspective a bit, you could have avoided this whole mess!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    you guys fight about the dumbest shit.



    Use some intuition and charity when reading. simply read #2 as implying "2) Someone may prefer/value the abilities of Sensors but still be an iNtuitive (in their actions/shared opinion/shared thoughts/teachings/etc)." and suddenly everyone can get along and reframe from the Ti pissing contest. No body likes critical people. Just keep your "wrongly used Ti!" paranoia in check . If you had just shifted your perspective a bit, you could have avoided this whole mess!
    But I'd much rather duke it out with Jaguar. What makes you think I want to avoid this whole mess in the first place?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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