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    Default The Unfulfilled Potential of the NT

    "Rationals are very scarce, comprising as little as 5 to 10 percent of the population. But because of their drive to unlock the secrets of nature, and to develop new technologies, they have done much to shape our world." Source

    I haven't shaped our world recently - have you?

    As an ENTJ, I'm feeling inferior right now. If I was an ENTP or an INTJ or INTP I might be more lenient with myself, but right now, I'm mediocre. I'm studying philosophy at a pretty good uni (but not one of the best) - Manchester, I'll probably graduate with a low-to-medium 2:1 all the while I watch my peers around me succeeding, many of whom are most certainly not NTs, and yet they're on for Firsts and high 2:1s. I've done a bit of extracurricular on the side, like Officers Training Corps - although my role was nothing special; almost invisible, when really I should have taken the leadership roles naturally, surely? I did a bit of Quaker stuff where I flourished a bit more (maybe because Quakerism is in my family whereas the military isn't). I don't work, even though I'm in a stupid amount of debt. I probably won't find a job after I graduate - a job with prospects and a decent salary, and if I'm in the special 5-10% of the population, should I not at this moment be flying high with a great career lined up for me?

    The thing is, it's not like I'm working towards anything. I don't even have the desire to. What the FUCK has happened.

    Please, someone, preferably an ENTJ, tell me they also went from mediocre to good in ten to twenty years, or I might just end up failing to see the point of working at all.

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    Well, first you should understand typologies are not absolute. They are a way of categorizing people based on generalizations, then analysing those generalizations as bundles. Just like say, articles of clothing are mass produced in various types, typology is a quick and easy method based off generalities. A tailor-made analysis might not conform to generally accepted trends. Don't depend on your typology to be entirely accurate.

    That being said, I didn't have a job until after I graduated. While doing my undergrad, I was a professor's assistant of economics. After the contract expired, professors wanted me to go for my PhD and become a professor myself. I felt more ambitious than that, so I decided not to. Shortly after graduating, I found I had familial connections to influential people. By luck and networking, eventually the opportunity came to me to become an investment banker. I jumped for it.

    Personality doesn't necessarily tell us when or what opportunities are going to come. Personality, I think, determines in large part what decision you will take when the opportunities do appear.

    You simply haven't had any opportunity that you like yet. No need to be shamed for that. Just keep an eye open.

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    5-10% of the population = 340 - 680 000 000 people

    If all of them would constantly want to save the world with their brilliant new ideas, we'd be living in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    "Rationals are very scarce, comprising as little as 5 to 10 percent of the population. But because of their drive to unlock the secrets of nature, and to develop new technologies, they have done much to shape our world." Source

    I haven't shaped our world recently - have you?

    As an ENTJ, I'm feeling inferior right now. If I was an ENTP or an INTJ or INTP I might be more lenient with myself, but right now, I'm mediocre. I'm studying philosophy at a pretty good uni (but not one of the best) - Manchester, I'll probably graduate with a low-to-medium 2:1 all the while I watch my peers around me succeeding, many of whom are most certainly not NTs, and yet they're on for Firsts and high 2:1s. I've done a bit of extracurricular on the side, like Officers Training Corps - although my role was nothing special; almost invisible, when really I should have taken the leadership roles naturally, surely? I did a bit of Quaker stuff where I flourished a bit more (maybe because Quakerism is in my family whereas the military isn't). I don't work, even though I'm in a stupid amount of debt. I probably won't find a job after I graduate - a job with prospects and a decent salary, and if I'm in the special 5-10% of the population, should I not at this moment be flying high with a great career lined up for me?

    The thing is, it's not like I'm working towards anything. I don't even have the desire to. What the FUCK has happened.

    Please, someone, preferably an ENTJ, tell me they also went from mediocre to good in ten to twenty years, or I might just end up failing to see the point of working at all.
    What are you passionate about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    That being said, I didn't have a job until after I graduated. While doing my undergrad, I was a professor's assistant of economics. After the contract expired, professors wanted me to go for my PhD and become a professor myself. I felt more ambitious than that, so I decided not to. Shortly after graduating, I found I had familial connections to influential people. By luck and networking, eventually the opportunity came to me to become an investment banker. I jumped for it.

    Personality doesn't necessarily tell us when or what opportunities are going to come. Personality, I think, determines in large part what decision you will take when the opportunities do appear.

    You simply haven't had any opportunity that you like yet. No need to be shamed for that. Just keep an eye open.
    While I agree with what you say on the whole, consider the fact that while you were an undergrad you had opportunity waiting to reveal itself to you. I do not even have the potential for opportunity right now. You had influential connections. I don't have anything like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    5-10% of the population = 340 - 680 000 000 people

    If all of them would constantly want to save the world with their brilliant new ideas, we'd be living in hell.
    Haha, good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by highlander29 View Post
    What are you passionate about?
    Nothing really. I love listening to music, reading, watching films or quality TV series, drinking and socialising. But when it comes to having a hobby or interest, I lack a passion.

    ETA: I suppose you could call typology a passion, based on my desire to understand the way in which people work. However, the more I learn, the more I realise that it's essentially impossible to categorise people and that there are so many flaws in typing systems that I'm unsure whether it's even worth having them or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    While I agree with what you say on the whole, consider the fact that while you were an undergrad you had opportunity waiting to reveal itself to you. I do not even have the potential for opportunity right now. You had influential connections. I don't have anything like that.
    Most of the time beforehand, I wasn't aware of such things either.

    Your self-esteem needs building. Go sleep with a really hot chick or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    Most of the time beforehand, I wasn't aware of such things either.

    Your self-esteem needs building. Go sleep with a really hot chick or something.
    I've done that already, twice (the first wasn't really hot). Then she had an abortion and it fucked everything up.

    And I'm in love with someone now.

    And my self-esteem is fine thank you.

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    You seem so gloomy and unenergetic about the future. It's typically the opposite of ENTJs, so my best guess was self-esteem. Maybe something it bothering you and eating you up from the inside. I don't know. How long have you been like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    You seem so gloomy and unenergetic about the future. It's typically the opposite of ENTJs, so my best guess was self-esteem. Maybe something it bothering you and eating you up from the inside. I don't know. How long have you been like this?
    Since I started taking ketamine and mephedrone probably. I stopped mid-December, but I think they've fucked me up in some way. I am much more apathetic than I used to be.

    Also since I've fallen in love, my career plans have basically just disappeared. I'm not as motivated to go to law school (although I'm still applying). I've gone to all the open evenings at the firms and at the different law schools. I know the step I need to take is to now write speculatively to firms for internships to show initiative and interest in their particular firm, to gain some legal experience (of which I haven't any). But for some reason I can't make that step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    Since I started taking ketamine and mephedrone probably. I stopped mid-December, but I think they've fucked me up in some way. I am much more apathetic than I used to be.

    Also since I've fallen in love, my career plans have basically just disappeared. I'm not as motivated to go to law school (although I'm still applying). I've gone to all the open evenings at the firms and at the different law schools. I know the step I need to take is to now write speculatively to firms for internships to show initiative and interest in their particular firm, to gain some legal experience (of which I haven't any). But for some reason I can't make that step.
    You sound almost depressed. I would consult a professional.

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