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    Default NT's and earning money

    Money isn't everything, obviously (not by a long shot), but I was in a discussion the other day with an ESTJ about money and I realized that of all the people I know, when I look at the function that is most common in the people that are making "good money" - it is far and away the "T" function. it is the T's that are making money in their careers. Not that I don't know an F here or there that earns decent money, but it's pretty much a landslide when I compare the T's and F's in this one area of life.

    What does this mean? Some possibilities:
    1. F's don't care as much about earning money as T's do?
    2. T's are more capable/aggressive in this area (at least in regards to the way society/business is structured). Logical thinking pays off?
    3. Most males are T's and most F's are female and since males still earn more on average (not saying it's fair, just saying it's still a fact) this plays a part?
    4. Some other conclusions?

    Here is a snapshot of the earning characteristics of the NT types that I know. Disclaimer: This is NOT a statement that some types are incapable or inept, just simply an observation of the people that I know.

    ENTJ's - usually doing very well in their careers. I would even say that they are often slowly building their own little empires.

    ENTP's - if I consider their entire adult working lives, it is somewhat up and down financially. There are periods where they do very well and periods where they perhaps lose interest in a business venture or the corporate world and their finances might suffer. When they do well, however, they do considerably well.

    INTJ's - very responsible and hard-working and do well in their careers, although there doesn't seem to be the "through the roof" earnings that you sometimes see with other types. Not that they aren't capable, but the ones I know are usually in government positions/university positions that pay well, but they aren't becoming millionaires in those positions.

    INTP's - In all seriousness, my observation here is that we bounce around so much and change our interests/pursuits and can also be so downright lazy/disinterested at times that we often hurting financially. Interestingly enough, there seem to be 10% or so that make up their mind to dedicate themselves to something and do really, really well. The potential is there. It's arguable if Bill Gates is INTP, but if he is, that would be the best example of one who made up his mind and dedicated himself to something (please don't turn this thread into an argument about Bill Gates' type - I'm sure there's another thread for that).

    I'll add the following "T" types:

    ESTJ's - seem to do very well financially and be very dedicated to their careers, but the earnings are not usually up there with ENTJ's. The ESTJ's I know are supervisors, managers, and small business owners - and the ones that own small businesses aren't willing to expand their businesses. They prefer to keep them small and manageable and that limits income somewhat.

    ISTJ's - seem to do very well financially as well, whether they be accountants/CPA's, engineers, draftsmen, underwriters, etc. But, these positions are much like the INTJ's and ESTJ's - they aren't going to earn as much over a lifetime as the ENTJ's and possibly ENTP's (and small percentage of INTP's).

    ESTP's/ISTP's - I don't know enough of these to really summarize it, other than to say that they do fairly well and have the potential to earn well in their careers.

    The "TP's" tend to earn well in spurts. Up and down, because they are changing careers every few years. The "TJ's" are more consistent and stick with things more, which is understandable considering the difference between P and J.

    Thoughts? Observations of your own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Money isn't everything, obviously (not by a long shot), but I was in a discussion the other day with an ESTJ about money and I realized that of all the people I know, when I look at the function that is most common in the people that are making "good money" - it is far and away the "T" function. it is the T's that are making money in their careers. Not that I don't know an F here or there that earns decent money, but it's pretty much a landslide when I compare the T's and F's in this one area of life.

    What does this mean? Some possibilities:
    1. F's don't care as much about earning money as T's do?
    2. T's are more capable/aggressive in this area (at least in regards to the way society/business is structured). Logical thinking pays off?
    3. Most males are T's and most F's are female and since males still earn more on average (not saying it's fair, just saying it's still a fact) this plays a part?
    4. Some other conclusions?

    Here is a snapshot of the earning characteristics of the NT types that I know. Disclaimer: This is NOT a statement that some types are incapable or inept, just simply an observation of the people that I know.

    ENTJ's - usually doing very well in their careers. I would even say that they are often slowly building their own little empires.

    ENTP's - if I consider their entire adult working lives, it is somewhat up and down financially. There are periods where they do very well and periods where they perhaps lose interest in a business venture or the corporate world and their finances might suffer. When they do well, however, they do considerably well.

    INTJ's - very responsible and hard-working and do well in their careers, although there doesn't seem to be the "through the roof" earnings that you sometimes see with other types. Not that they aren't capable, but the ones I know are usually in government positions/university positions that pay well, but they aren't becoming millionaires in those positions.

    INTP's - In all seriousness, my observation here is that we bounce around so much and change our interests/pursuits and can also be so downright lazy/disinterested at times that we often hurting financially. Interestingly enough, there seem to be 10% or so that make up their mind to dedicate themselves to something and do really, really well. The potential is there. It's arguable if Bill Gates is INTP, but if he is, that would be the best example of one who made up his mind and dedicated himself to something (please don't turn this thread into an argument about Bill Gates' type - I'm sure there's another thread for that).

    I'll add the following "T" types:

    ESTJ's - seem to do very well financially and be very dedicated to their careers, but the earnings are not usually up there with ENTJ's. The ESTJ's I know are supervisors, managers, and small business owners - and the ones that own small businesses aren't willing to expand their businesses. They prefer to keep them small and manageable and that limits income somewhat.

    ISTJ's - seem to do very well financially as well, whether they be accountants/CPA's, engineers, draftsmen, underwriters, etc. But, these positions are much like the INTJ's and ESTJ's - they aren't going to earn as much over a lifetime as the ENTJ's and possibly ENTP's (and small percentage of INTP's).

    ESTP's/ISTP's - I don't know enough of these to really summarize it, other than to say that they do fairly well and have the potential to earn well in their careers.

    The "TP's" tend to earn well in spurts. Up and down, because they are changing careers every few years. The "TJ's" are more consistent and stick with things more, which is understandable considering the difference between P and J.

    Thoughts? Observations of your own?
    I saw a documentary on the beginning of computers and Bill Gates is DEFINITELY an ENTJ (Just because he looks like an INTP doesn't mean he is one ) . Let the arguments begin!

    Anyways, I like the idea that men earn more money because they are more T dominant on average. This might just be a case of strong correlation as there are other possibilites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silencio View Post
    I saw a documentary on the beginning of computers and Bill Gates is DEFINITELY an ENTJ (Just because he looks like an INTP doesn't mean he is one ) . Let the arguments begin!

    Anyways, I like the idea that men earn more money because they are more T dominant on average. This might just be a case of strong correlation as there are other possibilites.
    OK, Gates is ENTJ. I knew I should have left that part out. His type wasn't the point of my post at all. For the purposes of this thread, I couldn't care less if he's ESFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    Sorry to break it to you, but as INTP, you'll be poor forever. Alternatively, we are pretty good at RPG.
    LOL. What? I'm not one of the 18 year-olds asking what I should do for a career. Talk about allowing yourself to be trapped into an archetype!

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    Ah, there is much to be said on this topic. I wonder if there is an inverse relationship between how capable a type is of fantasizing and how much money they end up making.

    What am I talking about?

    Well, making money can potentially involve

    - sucking it up and doing what is required of you (whatever the "it" might be. It could mean enduring extreme unhappiness with your job)


    - doing a routine, mind-numbing job

    - facing harsh reality.

    - taking orders from higher ups and keeping your mouth shut even when something is against your ideals

    - acting mature according to the world's standards (i.e. no more diablo 2, no more medieval reenactment fairs)

    Well, INFP's are basically doomed at the starting line because they are probably the most fantasizing type. I would imagine F's in general might be less likely to do something that disagrees with their ethics even though logically it might be wise to so in order to make more money.

    INTP's strike me as being the most fantasizing type among the thinkers and aren't much better off than their INFP cousins in this regard. I know that INTP's, no matter how brilliant, can slack off with the best (or worst) of them. This would make us have a much harder time doing something on the above list just to make money.


    I think it all comes down to what the world requires of you in order to make money. Certain types just have a much harder time sucking it up,and compromising their inner cores to do the grind it takes to make money (at least in the traditional, working hard to climb the corporate ladder way)

    So I don't really see it as a question of capability, but more a question of how much of your inner core are you willing to compromise to make money. If your inner core involves fantasies, and you're not writer, artist, or game developer (lucky bastards ! grrr), then it's going to be that much harder for you to compete in the traditional rat race with those types who don't have as rich an inner world.
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    the STPs I know and see LOVE earning money. they love the hustle and bustle, flipping houses, cars, drugs, athletic apparel, you name it. They are your classic traders, runners, movers and merchants by temperament. they'd be so stinking rich compared to all the other types if they didn't like to blow cash as quickly as they make it

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    the STPs I know and see LOVE earning money. they love the hustle and bustle, flipping houses, cars, drugs, athletic apparel, you name it. They are your classic traders, runners, movers and merchants by temperament. they'd be so stinking rich compared to all the other types if they didn't like to blow cash as quickly as they make it
    Ever notice how like 90% of drug dealers are STPs?
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