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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    Like most ENTP's I have no difficulty making money, and never had, I've been working since I was about 11 (partime in family businesses until I was 17 or so).
    Nah, you're thinking of your ENTJ cousins. ENTPs are bums.


    Highest Average Annual Household Income
    (From highest to lowest)

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)

    Highest Education Level
    (From highest to lowest)
    The scale used to compute these statistics is from 1 to 6, with 1 being lowest (did not graduate high school) and 6 being highest (PhD or equivalent).

    1. ENTJ (4.12)
    2. INTJ (3.93)
    3. ESTJ (3.83)
    4. ISTJ (3.78)
    5. ESTP (3.73)
    6. INFJ (3.72)
    7. ENFP (3.69)
    8. INTP (3.69)
    9. INFP (3.67)
    10. ESFP (3.63)
    11. ENFJ (3.60)
    12. ESFJ (3.62)
    13. ISTP (3.59)
    14. ISFJ (3.58)
    15. ENTP (3.54)
    16. ISFP (3.52)

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Sounds pretty straight-forward and reasonable to me. I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustHer View Post
    Why ISFJs?!?! I am mindboggled.
    Just to go along with the silliness that has become this thread. I too am mindboggled.


    Why? Oh who knows.... the possibilities are endless! (amidoingitrite??)
    I think you're an ISFJ bajillionaire in disguise. And yes, you're doing great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Nah, you're thinking of your ENTJ cousins. ENTPs are bums.


    Highest Average Annual Household Income
    (From highest to lowest)

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)

    Highest Education Level
    (From highest to lowest)
    The scale used to compute these statistics is from 1 to 6, with 1 being lowest (did not graduate high school) and 6 being highest (PhD or equivalent).

    1. ENTJ (4.12)
    2. INTJ (3.93)
    3. ESTJ (3.83)
    4. ISTJ (3.78)
    5. ESTP (3.73)
    6. INFJ (3.72)
    7. ENFP (3.69)
    8. INTP (3.69)
    9. INFP (3.67)
    10. ESFP (3.63)
    11. ENFJ (3.60)
    12. ESFJ (3.62)
    13. ISTP (3.59)
    14. ISFJ (3.58)
    15. ENTP (3.54)
    16. ISFP (3.52)
    Hurrah!! Look at me.. all rich and educated!!

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    You know, personally I believe, that ''There are lies, great lies and statistics!''

    I don't know about you guys, but I'm not gonna be a bum! :P
    Oh yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Nah, you're thinking of your ENTJ cousins. ENTPs are bums.


    Highest Average Annual Household Income
    (From highest to lowest)

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)

    Highest Education Level
    (From highest to lowest)
    The scale used to compute these statistics is from 1 to 6, with 1 being lowest (did not graduate high school) and 6 being highest (PhD or equivalent).

    1. ENTJ (4.12)
    2. INTJ (3.93)
    3. ESTJ (3.83)
    4. ISTJ (3.78)
    5. ESTP (3.73)
    6. INFJ (3.72)
    7. ENFP (3.69)
    8. INTP (3.69)
    9. INFP (3.67)
    10. ESFP (3.63)
    11. ENFJ (3.60)
    12. ESFJ (3.62)
    13. ISTP (3.59)
    14. ISFJ (3.58)
    15. ENTP (3.54)
    16. ISFP (3.52)
    The thing is that I have no way to interpret this - how many people were questioned? What region of the world, or country, were these participants taken from? Did all these people live in the same area, with the same cost of living taken into consideration? Etc... These numbers really mean nothing on their own. Where is the raw data?

    That being said, I - as a person - made more money than the "average" ENTJ household last year.

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    Well, being more success oriented, I can only see that one /should/ be concerned with earning a usable and reliable income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Nah, you're thinking of your ENTJ cousins. ENTPs are bums.


    Highest Average Annual Household Income
    (From highest to lowest)

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)
    Note that this statistic is for household income and not personal income. For example in my household I know that my personal income is above the median while our household income is below the median. This is because my wife stays at home. However with other ENTP's I think it would be more common for them to not get married at all. This would give them a lower household income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    This thread is full of Ne fail. Shouldn't we be processing each other's views along with our own objectively?

    simulatedworld, I can see where your'e coming from, but I think the amount of money earned has to do more with the mentality of the person than their set of functions; I do, however, think there may be some correlation between the two, though.
    Functions are, by definition, a description of one's perspective and value system.

    Quote Originally Posted by fill View Post
    Also, it highly depends on what field of work you're referring to. Wouldn't an F user have a greater advantage in working in sales if they really know how to treat people well? Or an Si user has the capability to do loads of work that may seem tedious with ease?
    Sure, but Te and Se tend to perform better in more profitable fields.

    Treating people well (or making them feel well-treated) is a big part of sales, but it's not enough on its own. To do well in sales you need to be driven to convince people to buy things they don't really need and best the competition at doing this--hence, salesman is often considered a traditionally ESTP career.

    I'm sure there are great salesmen out there of every type, but that really isn't the point. Every time any negative trait is even implied about a type, some butt-hurt idiot from that type shows up screaming "I CAN FIND A FEW INDIVIDUAL COUNTEREXAMPLES SO YOUR POINT IS TOTALLY INVALID!!!!!", completely missing the point that these are descriptions of general trends, not universal restrictions on 100% of cases.

    There are rich people, poor people, successful people and unsuccessful people of every psychological type. That much is obvious. The point of this discussion was to determine which functional value systems lend themselves better on average to making money.

    It's not really my problem if Cloud takes "Te and Se users tend to have value systems more conducive to making money than other types" personally because he erroneously takes this as an implication that it's totally impossible for other types (namely INTPs, which he kept harping on) to make money. It's quite apparent that that's not the case and that nobody said it was, so he should probably quit crying about it and learn to take generalized statements in a generalized context. This is really not that hard.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Nah, you're thinking of your ENTJ cousins. ENTPs are bums.


    Highest Average Annual Household Income
    (From highest to lowest)

    1. ENTJ (84,434)
    2. ESTJ (76,238)
    3. ESFJ (74,882)
    4. INTJ (72,043)
    5. ENFJ (71,060)
    6. ISTJ (71,020)
    7. ESTP (69,323)
    8. ISTP (67,349)
    9. ENFP (66,210)
    10. INTP (64,872)
    11. INFJ (64,372)
    12. ISFP (64,166)
    13. ISFJ (63,870)
    14. ESFP (63,281)
    15. ENTP (62,960)
    16. INFP (61,565)

    Highest Education Level
    (From highest to lowest)
    The scale used to compute these statistics is from 1 to 6, with 1 being lowest (did not graduate high school) and 6 being highest (PhD or equivalent).

    1. ENTJ (4.12)
    2. INTJ (3.93)
    3. ESTJ (3.83)
    4. ISTJ (3.78)
    5. ESTP (3.73)
    6. INFJ (3.72)
    7. ENFP (3.69)
    8. INTP (3.69)
    9. INFP (3.67)
    10. ESFP (3.63)
    11. ENFJ (3.60)
    12. ESFJ (3.62)
    13. ISTP (3.59)
    14. ISFJ (3.58)
    15. ENTP (3.54)
    16. ISFP (3.52)
    I'm suprised ISTJ's scored higher than INFJ's :0
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