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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I think mostly what bugs me about INTPs is that I routinely use them as examples from which to learn more about Ti, but they never seem to think they have anything to learn from ENTPs.

    It's as if ENTPs value Ti more than INTPs value Ne, which is bizarre. You guys seem content to live in Pure Ti land, which gets boring and repetitive.

    Maybe if you'd bother listening to us once in a while, we could help you be less...I dunno, miserable?
    This might be true but i think an INTP would be missing out if he didn't think Ne is important and just because INTPs are quiet doesn't mean they are all miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I think mostly what bugs me about INTPs is that I routinely use them as examples from which to learn more about Ti, but they never seem to think they have anything to learn from ENTPs.

    It's as if ENTPs value Ti more than INTPs value Ne, which is bizarre. You guys seem content to live in Pure Ti land, which gets boring and repetitive.

    Maybe if you'd bother listening to us once in a while, we could help you be less...I dunno, miserable?
    That's funny.

    I haven't had that experience... if anything, the ENTPs seem intent on shaking up stuff unnecessarily and not approaching things entirely sensibly. as an I, it's been hard for me to engage ENTPs and not feel sort of intimated and ignored... having to "play the sparring" game to be heard rather than just saying things clearly once and getting cues back from y'all that you actually listened, thought about it, and understood.

    Your energy demands can make it difficult for introverts to engage for the length of time needed to get back the right cues.

    ... guess it just shows ta go ya...
    Quote Originally Posted by human101 View Post
    This might be true but i think an INTP would be missing out if he didn't think Ne is important and just because INTPs are quiet doesn't mean they are all miserable.
    There is that too.

    We can appear more somber/sober, I suppose. Things usually get internalized.
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    I don't think I've really met any ENTJ's to be honest. Maybe I've just figured out how to avoid dictators really well.

    As for my favorite NT type, I'm going to have to say ENTP, but I'm probably biased because my cousin is an ENTP and we were always like two peas in a pod.
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    favourite for what, I think to hang out with ENFPs, enjoy the company of E or INTPs like thinking with ENTJ's, I think INTJs would grow on me.... I quiet like INFP/Js when I'm chilling out

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    ENTP's - I'm not good at typing them IRL. There was that video someone posted up here once of an Aussie fella, but he was acting up for the camera. I've never met anyone like that IRL, and if I did, I would just walk away.

    Apart from that, I think one of the best friends I have had in years (sadly I moved away after a year) was probaby an ENTP. Our difference was, predictably, that he was more Ne and I was more Ti-Si (surprise surprise), i.e., he would be making connections I wasn't getting, and I would be deconstructing or pointing out empirical flaws. But it worked well, as we shared the same basic "vision", with him expanding my mind, while I refined his vision.

    INTJ's - there's a definite "edge" there whenever I interact with an INTJ. To be fair, again, I've been friends with this type, though I would say I have found it more frustrating than interacting with an ENTP, as we always run up against the difference that they want to deduce and I want to extrapolate - i.e. they want to end the conversation with a definitive classification and move onto the next issue, whereas I want to get to the most precise yet all-encompassing definition possible. I kind of feel they are being simplistic, and they view me as impractical. This is the type I get most impatient with of the NT's IRL.

    ENTJ's - one of my best friends was an ENTJ. I've known a few as they are very active politically as a type. I actually don't find them intimidating as I have worked out how to "push the buttons" of this type - they value knowledge, empirical precision and logical consistency very highly, and an INTP through the Ti-Si combination can really "throw a spanner in the works" when we disagree with them. Though I find it harder to have a constructive relationship with this type than with the ENTP though, as they seem less inclined to let themselves be corrected.

    Though it can be a good combination if the ENTJ is leading a project and I am part of it. Generally though they seem wary of me, but we also socially can get on pretty well as they respect and enjoy intellectual sparring.
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    #1 ENTP's! cause they're so effing hilarious.

    #2 INTP's! we seem to have great sarcastic banter and chemistry. I'm borderline P so maybe has something to do with it.

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    Not ENTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    Not ENTP.
    LOL - we think you're smelly too oops thats my dyslexia kickin in... your SMILEY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That's funny.

    I haven't had that experience... if anything, the ENTPs seem intent on shaking up stuff unnecessarily and not approaching things entirely sensibly. as an I, it's been hard for me to engage ENTPs and not feel sort of intimated and ignored... having to "play the sparring" game to be heard rather than just saying things clearly once and getting cues back from y'all that you actually listened, thought about it, and understood.

    Your energy demands can make it difficult for introverts to engage for the length of time needed to get back the right cues.

    ... guess it just shows ta go ya...
    You're not a very typical example of INTP. But I do stand by my statement that ENTPs, on average, value Ti more than INTPs value Ne. And isn't "entirely sensibly" kind of relative? That just sounds like the same criticism INTPs always give everyone, which amounts to, "Use more Ti and less of everything else!!"

    I believe INTPs get stuck in overvaluing the dominant function more than any of the sixteen types. Ti seems to provide the illusion that it's the only function you'll ever need, and a lot of INTPs buy right into that.

    I don't think you do now, but you might have when you were closer to my age.


    Quote Originally Posted by human101 View Post
    This might be true but i think an INTP would be missing out if he didn't think Ne is important and just because INTPs are quiet doesn't mean they are all miserable.
    You're certainly right--I was just giving Miserable a hard time. I couldn't resist.

    I also agree that INTPs who ignore Ne are definitely missing out, but of course I would think that, wouldn't I?
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