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    Default NTJs: Does this description of NTJ vs. NTP miscommunication make sense to you?

    I found this in The Lenore Thomson Exegesis Wiki and thought it was an incisively accurate description of many of my disagreements with NTJs. (The original referred to INTJs and INTPs, but I find that it applies equally well to their E counterparts so it's slightly edited.)

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    The peculiar disconnect that nearly always happens between NTJs and NTPs. From the NTJ's standpoint: "He seems awfully attached to his model, as if it's the only possible one. There are so many possibilities he hasn't ruled out. His argumentation is simply unfair: he is choosing observations to stack the deck to favor his interpretation over all others. He seems oblivious to the complexity of the subject. He does not seem to know what he's doing."

    From the NTP's standpoint: "I'm trying to point things out and draw distinctions in order to define a vocabulary that carves out some aspect of the subject matter. That would be forward progress. But he refuses to look. He keeps translating everything I say into some moronic vocabulary that he's already familiar with, where what I'm saying is a trivial goof. He seems completely stuck in his box."



    Anyway I believe this was written by an INTP, so I wonder if it only makes sense from the NTP standpoint or if NTJs see any merit in it as well.
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    I dont think an NTP is as dumb to not know that there are so many possibilities. But that he uses argumentation that is unfair I agree with.

    the NTP response is sissy.

    If NTP responses need one to point out that noone understands them, I'ld feel like 13 again
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    I don't think he was saying that no one understands him; I think he was saying the NTJ refuses to make progress in the discussion by nailing down any definite terms.

    I think the NTJ's Ni dislikes doing that because it automatically shuts out certain interpretations and limits perspective, but that the NTP's Ti thinks it's necessary in order to have clearly defined language with which to discuss the issue.
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    Your take.

    I think to wait for others to anticipate your thought is the way to Babylon for you
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    I'm confused.
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    I'm sorry, I suck at psychology stuff
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    Buck up, you sissy!
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    Yes, I seriously hate it when INTPs say something like "define xy". It seems they really REALLY like "defining" things for no apparent reason. Define temperature. Define IQ. Define time. Wtf? It's a debate, not a "let's define obvious things in the most eloquent way"-contest.

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    define contest ?!
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