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    I don't get it. O_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Ne and Se perceive the same amount of objective information in different ways, making them, by definition, equal (in their amount of objectivity).


    Proof positive that the notion that INTPs are the most "objective" is complete crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    Ne and Se perceive the same amount of objective information in different ways, making them, by definition, equal (in their amount of objectivity). There is so subjectivity in extraverted functions just as there is so objectivity in introverted functions.
    sure, but it's not a matter of just quantity, it's about quality too.

    S sees what is; N sees what could be. in other words - what is not, and then what could fill in that blank.

    given, both are cognitive functions, so both will be subjective to a certain degree - we don't have reality outside of our minds - but it seems like N takes more steps to get to what it sees. the more steps you take, the more "in your head" it is. the more it has a chance to be influenced by your other, less objective functions.

    so perhaps S and N are equally objective, but i don't thinks S types and N types necessarily are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post


    Proof positive that the notion that INTPs are the most "objective" is complete crap.
    That would be one bad apple, your highness.
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    It's possible for an ESFP or an ISFJ to be more objective than an ENTP or an INTP.

    I may have a preference or predisposition for objectivity, and it may be related to my MBTI type, but it doesn't mean I'm better at it than anybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by visaisahero View Post
    It's possible for an ESFP or an ISFJ to be more objective than an ENTP or an INTP.

    I may have a preference or predisposition for objectivity, and it may be related to my MBTI type, but it doesn't mean I'm better at it than anybody else.
    How people define objectivity is subjective. Hence the irony.
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    1).Objectivity in its pure form cannot be attained by neither type; we are all equipped with a cognitive faculty that impedes us to see things how they are in themselves. Indeed any experience undergoes subjective analysis even if this analysis is based on (objective)the laws of logic. The reason being is that it matters what laws of logic one applies as being the criterion by which we can evaluate objectivity-the selection of such laws precludes pure objectivity.

    1a).Why someone may ask"why the distinction between objectivity when it comes to the laws of logic and not objectivity when it comes to experience?"
    Experiential events (phenomenology) is as HUme suggests synthetical in nature (available through experience/observation) or Kantian 'a posteriori' whereas the laws of logic are universally valid and a priori/independent to experience.
    1b). The tendency is to imitate the latter, namely to analytically deduct objectivity but such thing cannot be accomplished wihotu once again appealing to a criterion which is subjective in nature.
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    So... I take it that both of you agree with me that it is not possible to determine "who is more objective" by looking at MBTI types?
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