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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Oooooh.... nice shot with the sniper post!
    I bet you could drop a fly at 200 yards.
    I didn't see it when I was flinging mud around, but reading it over it's what really needed to be said. After thinking about how I can move things towards MBTI centric (and a bit more geared around what is missing in the discussion) type posts, I realised that I perpetuated the wrong thing here - a pendulum fixes nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Unfortunately, nobody could ever obey that rule, because relativist quagmires like this one would also happen in regards to what "aptitude" is.
    It is literally stated in the handbook and is a major cornerstone of the ethics in typing. It is one of the fundamental guards against stereotyping and pre-judging people.

    (Aptitude to mean "specific ability" rather than a generalised ability, like IQ.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Oh, while I'm refraining from posting in this thread, I thought one thing should be mentioned... it is decidedly against MBTI, Jung and whatever personal version is being referenced to use traits, functions and their derivatives as a measurement of ability or aptitude.
    You call it "against the concept/personal vision," I call it creativity. We came up with the measurement idea ourselves, after all.

    It isn't really limiting individuals to say that one type or the other tends to be a certain way, because it's implicit in that that there are exceptions to the generalization. Besides, what good is the theory it if it can't be used to tell you anything about a person's tendencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby
    It is literally stated in the handbook and is a major cornerstone of the ethics in typing. It is one of the fundamental guards against stereotyping and pre-judging people.
    We never took the hippocratic oath, so we aren't bound by that.

    It's just one person's idea of ethics, and not everyone has to follow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    I've even entertained the thought that Fe can be used objectively. Someone may be particularly fair in interpersonal relations. He/she would not favour one person over the other on subjective basis and then claim the opposite.
    Yeah, that's what I was getting at much earlier, about how Fe can be used to objectively take into account others' feelings, it doesn't mean you're always obsessed with your own and using them as a guide.

    In fact, look at Captain Archer on Enterprise - I think he's ENFJ, and I see him using Fe like that an lot. Admittedly he's fictional, but a believable character... believable for a reason

    And well said athenian and Magic P - you saved me from saying those same things, amongst other things I'd have regretted
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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    It isn't really limiting individuals to say that one type or the other tends to be a certain way, because it's implicit in that that there are exceptions to the generalization. Besides, what good is the theory it if it can't be used to tell you anything about a person's tendencies?
    Bold words are what the system is for. Tendency <> ability.

    (ie: E-TJ tend to want to be leaders. E-TJ do not make good leaders as a result of that.)

    We never took the hippocratic oath, so we aren't bound by that.

    It's just one person's idea of ethics, and not everyone has to follow it.
    It's a collective agreement bound inside the instrument. It is based upon a great deal of ethical background and it exists in some form as a standard for all psychological tests. The question as to if you are moral and willing to follow the guidelines when applying their system is, of course, your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    The question as to if you are moral and willing to follow the guidelines when applying their system is, of course, your choice.
    Dude, you missed your calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Dude, you missed your calling.
    Nah, I still come up as neutral evil. I just changed it around to reflect the neutral lawful approach. (I'm fairly true to my calling )

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    Objectivity is not, in my opinion, a very specific "aptitude" as you say.
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    Okay so in terms of objectivity:

    INTP > ENTP > ENTJ > INTJ

    Right?

    That's TiNe > NeTi > TeNi > NiTe

    Also..
    (ie: E-TJ tend to want to be leaders. E-TJ do not make good leaders as a result of that.)
    This is true for ESTJ's not ENTJ's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypomanic View Post
    Okay so in terms of objectivity:

    INTP > ENTP > ENTJ > INTJ

    Right?

    That's TiNe > NeTi > TeNi > NiTe

    Also..

    This is true for ESTJ's not ENTJ's.
    I think the consensus is that this is something that we are not going to agree on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    I think the consensus is that this is something that we are not going to agree on.
    Perhaps, but I'm willing to accept all input.

    My reasoning for that order being that P's are more objective than J's, and Ti is more objective than Te. An equally possible ordering in my mind right now is:

    INTP > ENTJ > ENTP > INTJ

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