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    Default Why people don't like this approach ?

    As a person I place almost no value on "the" journey. The only thing that matters to me in is the final outcome and everything else is technically irrelevant.
    However my tendency to go after a defintive outcome scares other people and it makes them uncomfortable quite a bit.
    So this thread will probably look like a joke but I am dead serious about this


    I will give a picturesquely example of my behaviour.
    A baby is born and people are happy. Except me, since I keep my head cool. So Instead of being happy I calculate.


    Like this.

    Born 3.12.2005

    Gender female

    Current average life-span of females - 76 years.
    (if it stays the same)

    Estimated time of death 3.12.2081.

    Size of possible error 10%


    Meaning- she will die somewhere between 2076 and 2086.
    The chances that she will die a violent or somehow tragic death are less than 1% and should not be takes as a likely outcome. Even if probablility exists. Which is further reducing the a fact that she is from a stabile family.
    If something special does not happen her first day at school will be in september of of 2010 or 2011.
    Since childern don't usually fair at this stage of lofe it is likely that she will enter a highschool 8 years later form her first day in school.


    Statistically the chances are that she will be of average intelligence and skills. Or at least somewhere near the average.
    If enought time is invested it can be calculated how much money she can possibly earn in life. Also it is would be advisable to calculate possible minimum and maximum to add flexibility the calculation. The chances of strong deviations from standard are possbible but statistical observations of current population shows that they don't happen to that many individuals.


    Education and talents - unkown at this stage
    However it is unlikely that they will make the child to be that much special that the child wil be much more succesful than children of her age. Gender suggests that it is more likely that she will take a more people oriented carrer.

    Sexual pertners during life -time between 3 and 6
    Number of childern 2 plus 1or2 aborted if current social trends continue.
    Maximum number of childern that she can give birth - Unknown.



    This is where i will stop since I think that everybody got my point. In realty I would be much more concrete since I would have a concrete person to analyse. Also I would place much more variables which I didn't place here since I don't want my example to be too complicated. Plus I would make a few "simulations" as well.


    Basicly I define all major traits and variables at the start. So the journey is something that siimply has to happen to prove me right or wrong. (and nothing more). But generally speaking I am often quite correct about things.
    Since most things are nothing more than a continuation of events from past mixed with statistical odds.



    NPs usually have the bigges problems with this since they can comprehend my logic. But they have a huge need to explore and need to wonder. I basicly kill them when I show them some barrier in their life that is like 10 years ahead. (especially NFPs) Since I place their entire exploring thing in the context of space and time and show them how much time they have left. (or something)

    SJs - either think you are rude or feel uncomfortabe since they can see your J logic which they like at work. But they feel so naked around you. I tend to think that NFJ are similar to SJs when it comes to this.


    While SPs just say "cool" and walk away or they will try to convince that you need profesional help.


    I could say much more but I will leave that for a thread. Instead I will just get to the point.


    Why my thought process / approach makes people so uncomfortabe ?
    I mean because of this I often don't show people who I am. Since people seem to be uncomfortable with idea that things can be that well summarized.

    Basicly this is not about being correct or not this is about approach towards reality.



    More info at post 29.

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    What "approach"? Approach to what (life?) and with what intent?

    Are you saying statistics can accurately predict a lot of stuff that goes on in someone's life? No shish kabob.

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    Well, I like this approach but I don't usually pay that much attention to it. As you don't value the "journey", others do. Things happen, life happens.

    And as you said, it can be uncomfortable because you can't really take everything into account, so it's just pure guess (even though you're probably right about a lot of things).

    And maybe people just don't want to face the "future" you can "predict" with your logic. It's like with the "fortune" tellers, you might want to know the "future" but you still like to think that you have a say in the matter how your life will turn out and defy the statistics. Call it being delusional or hopeful or whatever.

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    I would assume it is because your summation about the probable course of their life seems to them like it removes their ability to choose and de-personifies it, which understandably can make those uncomfortable.



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    what is the journey?
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I would assume it is because your summation about the probable course of their life seems to them like it removes their ability to choose and de-personifies it, which understandably can make those uncomfortable.
    This is my conclusion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    What "approach"? Approach to what (life?) and with what intent?

    Are you saying statistics can accurately predict a lot of stuff that goes on in someone's life? No shish kabob.

    I am only saying that I am presuming alot about the future and I just can't take things as I go throught life. I simply have to define mosty probable scenarios and outomes and no matter how much I tried not to my brain will do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    what is the journey?
    in this thread "The journey" is when you live your life without too much planning or analizing its outcome. In short you don't have a clear goals or situations/scenarios in which you really want to get into. Basicly it is living life with alot of wonder and little conclussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    in this thread "The journey" is when you live your life without too much planning or analizing its outcome. In short you don't have a clear goals or situations/scenarios in which you really want to get into.
    ok so you just dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    ok so you just dont get it
    Yeap I just don't get it.

    Actually I do but to me it is foreign approach.

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