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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    I think maybe what causes depression is loss of hope, you could be stuck in a rut for years and never become depressed because you see it improving in the future (but not necessarily do anything about it). I'm not so sure that being too comfortable is the same as being depressed, but it does seem to go hand in hand, as you've said. Sometimes putting in effort can lead to depression, which has happened to me, I went through hell trying to get a job for months at one point, and no matter what I did, I was ignored. I made an effort to actually stand out, to be on top of everything, yet nothing changed, then the negative attitude developed, and I completely abandoned hope and broke down. Nothing will make you feel better than a bit of optimism and a smile . Doesn't matter what you're doing, if you smile, you'll feel better. Hugs don't have anything on this, they last, what? 10 seconds or so? So for those 10 seconds you feel better, but then you go back to pessimism and think "that hug was just a pity hug" lol.
    I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'll simplify my original response. Things that got me depressed: settling and being stagnant. Things that helped pull me out: Do the things I want to do in life without overanalyzing and worrying about a, b, c, d, e, f, and g. Just do it.
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    beat an intp at a game that requires intellect, should you expect them to keep coming back for more challenges?
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    OMG this thread is still alive. The answer for me is yes, but only as time permits. I have a friend in a different state (an old man) who has been beating me at a game for a few years now. So, every time I'm in his state, I make it a point to stop in and say hello, and see if I can beat him. Or at least see how much progress I've made in my skill level. It's been like a 5-year ongoing challenge that I hope continues. So yeah, I love the challenge and it's great when someone can provide a great challenge or even beat me - it makes me want to come back for more. But, also, it depends on what the person has going on in their life at the time. They may not have time to play lots of games, even though they find it fun.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    beat an intp at a game that requires intellect, should you expect them to keep coming back for more challenges?
    Yes, I would never give up a chance at an intellectual rematch.
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    Do you think you would ever look down on someone who lost against you in an intellectual match of wits (provided they didn't make a complete ass of themselves)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    Do you think you would ever look down on someone who lost against you in an intellectual match of wits (provided they didn't make a complete ass of themselves)?
    As long as the win wasn't the result of some sort of intellectual challenge, absolutely not. To look down on them as a result of that would not only be obnoxiously arrogant and presumptuous of me, but would also imply that intelligence is limited to one form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    Do you think you would ever look down on someone who lost against you in an intellectual match of wits (provided they didn't make a complete ass of themselves)?
    No, I thnk INTP's are more concerned with self-image. If an INTP loses, he might be quite harsh on himself, if he wins, he'll feel good about himself, but it's unlikely he will look down on his opponent because of it. I can't remember ever looking down on someone just because I won a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    No, I thnk INTP's are more concerned with self-image. If an INTP loses, he might be quite harsh on himself, if he wins, he'll feel good about himself, but it's unlikely he will look down on his opponent because of it. I can't remember ever looking down on someone just because I won a game.

    We're too selfish for that.
    Interesting. I'd only ever heard this trait in relation to INFP's, yet is something I can largely attest to myself. Like yourself, competition, to me, has never really been about boasting/bragging or a means for which to display aptitude to others, but more of a means to test myself and my abilities based on some arbitrary standard of measure, and while besting someone in some sort of contest doesn't in turn elevate me over them in my mind, I think the effect mentioned in allegorystory's question somewhat happens inadvertently. I mean, as I said earlier, I don't care about the competition in relation to the other person, but I expect that if I have a certain level of proficiency in an area that I should be able to rise to the occasion, but in relation to the other person, if I expect to win, on a subconscious level, what does that say about how I view their aptitude in relation to my own? How can I truly say I view them as an equal if this perfectionistic mentality expects nothing less than to best them as a testament to itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    Interesting. I'd only ever heard this trait in relation to INFP's, yet is something I can largely attest to myself. Like yourself, competition, to me, has never really been about boasting/bragging or a means for which to display aptitude to others, but more of a means to test myself and my abilities based on some arbitrary standard of measure, and while besting someone in some sort of contest doesn't in turn elevate me over them in my mind, I think the effect mentioned in allegorystory's question somewhat happens inadvertently. I mean, as I said earlier, I don't care about the competition in relation to the other person, but I expect that if I have a certain level of proficiency in an area that I should be able to rise to the occasion, but in relation to the other person, if I expect to win, on a subconscious level, what does that say about how I view their aptitude in relation to my own? How can I truly say I view them as an equal if this perfectionistic mentality expects nothing less than to best them as a testament to itself?
    I think we know that if others would also aim for it, they can inturn rise to best us again. We are able to see that potential in people, and therefor don't look down on them. If we can reach for it, so can others. Our concern lies with where we reach though. Where other people want to reach is up to them. I don't think we look down on others out of respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    I think we know that if others would also aim for it, they can inturn rise to best us again. We are able to see that potential in people, and therefor don't look down on them. If we can reach for it, so can others. Our concern lies with where we reach though. Where other people want to reach is up to them. I don't think we look down on others out of respect.
    I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just saying I see the effect previously mentioned as largely inevitable in some respects being that a performance standard exists. To be disappointed with a loss implies that one initially thought they had a realistic chance of winning, and that you just failed to achieve that result. It seems as thought it could be, at the very least, indirectly perceived that it's somewhat dependent question of can you really view someone as an equal if you expect to best them in contest.

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