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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    To my fellow INTPs, what happens when you lose your detachment?
    1. Detachment - see NT handbook

    2. No detachment
    a) positive emotion - becomes a naive teddy bear and therefor very vulnerable (I think Salomé once mentioned that, due to their lack of practice, INTPs are like emotional dodos when they care); this is fun as long as it doesn't feel like you have lost control
    b) negative emotion - suddenly and unexpectedly goes through the roof, is very well aware that this is irrational and becomes angry at self for being like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    To my fellow INTPs, what happens when you lose your detachment?
    I almost lose my ability to provide a cold, hard analysis of things. And sometimes I lose my ability to think very clearly and in a focused way. When I am detached, things are very clear for me. Ti is very clear - things just "make sense" in my head when I'm detached. I can only do my best analyzing/thinking when I am detached. When I am forced to engage with people, the water becomes a bit muddy. Ne and Fe come to the forefront and Ti doesn't really know what to do with itself at that point. I almost have to check Ti at the door when I'm interacting with people. So, with Ne/Fe in charge, you sort of become this big ball of fluff that gives vague answers, tosses around vague ideas, doesn't seem to have any structure or any direction with the things you are talking about, etc.

    Sometimes it's fun to be in that "aimless" mode of fluff, but only for relatively short periods of time. Then I want to get back to Ti, where everything sort of "makes sense" in my head again.

    If an INTP seems like a fumbling idiot, it's because he has checked his Ti at the door and he is only using Ne/Fe. On the other hand, if he is using his intellect and speaking intelligently about things and has some structure to what he is saying, then he is using some combination of either Ti-Ne or Ti-Fe. Ne and Fe are hard for me to "put into words" - they're mainly ideas and feelings and stuff that are hard to verbalize. But, if Ti is involved, it can bring structure to Ne/Fe and Ti allows the INTP a way to communicate effectively or in a linear way.

    Fe might think, "I want this person to know how much they mean to me."
    Fe by itself might say something like, "You're really great." Well, that sounds really lame and has no structure to it.
    So, Ti will get together with Fe and say something like this: You know, every time we hang out, I have a really good time with you. We should hang out more often.

    Ti brings structure and clarity to the thoughts of Ne/Fe. But, in order to do this, you have to sort of "detach" in a way. Like, I almost have to forget that the person is there and climb back in my head to form the right words. I wonder if other INTP's relate to this. It's a trip.
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    ^Yes. I do. Absolutely.

    When I am detached, I can see clearly. Like INTPness, things make sense. When I start to lose my detachment, it is like gradually losing focus. Things become blurred. I cannot make out the detail. I make mistakes because I cannot see. (I'm assuming this is the same sort of panic people feel when they have really bad eyesight and they can't find their corrective lenses?) If it gets really extreme--and it has--then I just become totally blind. I am groping in the dark with an undeveloped sense of touch and sound. I make mistakes and when my detachment is restored, I feel a sense of horror and shame over what happened during my period of blindness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    ^Yes. I do. Absolutely.

    When I am detached, I can see clearly. Like INTPness, things make sense. When I start to lose my detachment, it is like gradually losing focus. Things become blurred. I cannot make out the detail. I make mistakes because I cannot see. (I'm assuming this is the same sort of panic people feel when they have really bad eyesight and they can't find their corrective lenses?) If it gets really extreme--and it has--then I just become totally blind. I am groping in the dark with an undeveloped sense of touch and sound. I make mistakes and when my detachment is restored, I feel a sense of horror and shame over what happened during my period of blindness.
    That's a great way of putting it. I relate to the bolded part as well. Going to a big party, for example, I sometimes feel like a fish completely out of water. But, I have no choice but to plug through it and get through the event. Even though my vision is impaired and I don't feel like I'm communicating as well as I could be or should be. I might even say some things I don't really want to say or didn't mean to say. And then afterwards, when I'm detached again, I might think, "Why did I say that? What a moron!?"

    A silly example is today at lunch I went into a sandwich place and I always order the same thing: a "number 4". Well, the girl handed me a number 4 on rye bread. I said, "I didn't order rye bread. I want it on the regular bread that it always comes on." She said, "I thought you said "on rye". I said, "No, I never even said the word 'rye' when I ordered." She goes, "OK, no problem, we'll fix it for you" and she went to throw it away and start over. I should have just left it at that and had my new sandwich made. But, because my "vision was impaired" (I wasn't detached), I stupidly said, "You know, just give it back to me. I'll try it on rye today. Maybe I'll like it." So, she gave the rye sandwich back to me and I walked out thinking, "Why the heck did I just say that? I don't even like rye. What an idiot! Now I just ruined my own lunch." I don't know why I do things like this other than to say that the "clarity" and the "precision of thought" of Ti tends to abandon me when I'm interacting with people. It becomes a big muddy mess. It's strange.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Architectonic View Post
    Is it possible for an INTP to become an extrovert?
    no, but enough weed + alcohol and i might sound like ESFJ on amphetamines and might do that even around strangers
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    I stupidly said, "You know, just give it back to me. I'll try it on rye today. Maybe I'll like it." So, she gave the rye sandwich back to me and I walked out thinking, "Why the heck did I just say that? I don't even like rye. What an idiot! Now I just ruined my own lunch." I don't know why I do things like this other than to say that the "clarity" and the "precision of thought" of Ti tends to abandon me when I'm interacting with people. It becomes a big muddy mess. It's strange.
    Did you at least find out you maybe kinda liked it? Enough that it didn't ruin your lunch?

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    How do you ppl handle your feelings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    That's a great way of putting it. I relate to the bolded part as well. Going to a big party, for example, I sometimes feel like a fish completely out of water. But, I have no choice but to plug through it and get through the event. Even though my vision is impaired and I don't feel like I'm communicating as well as I could be or should be. I might even say some things I don't really want to say or didn't mean to say. And then afterwards, when I'm detached again, I might think, "Why did I say that? What a moron!?"

    A silly example is today at lunch I went into a sandwich place and I always order the same thing: a "number 4". Well, the girl handed me a number 4 on rye bread. I said, "I didn't order rye bread. I want it on the regular bread that it always comes on." She said, "I thought you said "on rye". I said, "No, I never even said the word 'rye' when I ordered." She goes, "OK, no problem, we'll fix it for you" and she went to throw it away and start over. I should have just left it at that and had my new sandwich made. But, because my "vision was impaired" (I wasn't detached), I stupidly said, "You know, just give it back to me. I'll try it on rye today. Maybe I'll like it." So, she gave the rye sandwich back to me and I walked out thinking, "Why the heck did I just say that? I don't even like rye. What an idiot! Now I just ruined my own lunch." I don't know why I do things like this other than to say that the "clarity" and the "precision of thought" of Ti tends to abandon me when I'm interacting with people. It becomes a big muddy mess. It's strange.
    Hahah I have agreed to a lot of stupid things because I was trying to be nice and friendly (and had to shut down the cold voice of reason in my head for a while).

    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    How do you ppl handle your feelings?
    When the feelings are positive, I ride the wave. When they are negative, I shut down or go rant to someone I trust and who'll understand. Most times, I remove myself from the situation that's causing those feelings to reflect on what happened and possibly cry a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    How do you ppl handle your feelings?
    Depends on how strong it is.

    Many times, not very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    How do you ppl handle your feelings?
    I spend an excessive amount of time alone in my room listening to whatever music fits the feeling (assuming negative). When positive, I ride the wave like thealchemist, and hang out with friends, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    I stupidly said, "You know, just give it back to me. I'll try it on rye today. Maybe I'll like it." So, she gave the rye sandwich back to me and I walked out thinking, "Why the heck did I just say that? I don't even like rye. What an idiot! Now I just ruined my own lunch." I don't know why I do things like this other than to say that the "clarity" and the "precision of thought" of Ti tends to abandon me when I'm interacting with people. It becomes a big muddy mess. It's strange.
    This happens to me frequently too. When I'm under pressure (or feel like I'm under pressure), I tend to put other's needs above mine. I'd feel bad about asking the employee to remake my sandwich and wasteful for having it thrown away. Additionally, when things like that happen, I panic a little and say whatever will make the situation go away the fastest.

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