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    My point was that a city is not merely a series of structures and services in a particular geographic region (with its associated climate).
    How to put this another way... How malleable should an ideal city be to the lifestyles of its citizens? The fact is that there is feedback between the structure of a city and the lifestyle of its citizens. But the structure is still somewhat inelastic, so you also have selection effects where people who like or dislike a city will move. But this is still limited to the range of choices available (subject to citizenship, employment, family etc). What system would be used to shape the city over time based on the preferences of the citizens? (answers to this question would need to be more specific than say, constitutional democracy)
    But there are other questions too: Would an ideal city have citizens with radically different lifestyles to known modern or primitive models?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Architectonic View Post
    My point was that a city is not merely a series of structures and services in a particular geographic region (with its associated climate).
    How to put this another way... How malleable should an ideal city be to the lifestyles of its citizens? The fact is that there is feedback between the structure of a city and the lifestyle of its citizens. But the structure is still somewhat inelastic, so you also have selection effects where people who like or dislike a city will move. But this is still limited to the range of choices available (subject to citizenship, employment, family etc). What system would be used to shape the city over time based on the preferences of the citizens? (answers to this question would need to be more specific than say, constitutional democracy)
    But there are other questions too: Would an ideal city have citizens with radically different lifestyles to known modern or primitive models?
    I see. Your question is a little more clear now. And it's a much more complex question (or set of questions) than I originally thought. At first, I was just "toying around" with some very basic ideas of how a city might be physically constructed from scratch. But, your questions are much deeper than that.

    It's likely that you've given this more thought than I have. I will say that I believe a city should be "created" by the people who live in it. I was talking to a Polish man today and he said that America is one of the most rule-based societies in the world: you can't chew gum on this side of the building, you can't walk on the grass unless it's after 9pm, you can't smoke a cigarette in this building or that building, but you can smoke over there (on Tuesday's and Thursdays), if you want to apply for a driver's license you have to fill out paperwork, stand in line for 45 minutes, take a vision test, then go stand in a different line for 30 minutes, take a written test, then wait 1 hour for someone to call your name for a road test. It just goes on and on and on and it drives you insane. I told him how much I hate that part of my own society. It's etched in my brain sometimes - so much that I often don't even think about it - I just blindly act like a robot out of habit.

    Why is it like that here? Because "we" have made it that way. It's a result of a people's cumulative actions over time. Some time ago, you could smoke in public buildings. Then, someone decided they wanted to sue about that right. And so the law was changed. Then people began smoking outside the door of the buildings. Then maybe a building caught on fire from one of the cigarettes. Now there are laws that you have to be 25 feet away from the building before you can light a cigarette. It's like laws and regulations just keep accumulating higher and higher until you are so limited in what you can do, that you might as well just stay home and watch TV. I exaggerate, but we're losing some freedom in the process - freedom to be human, to light up a cigarette wherever you feel like it, to walk on the grass and laugh and play and act like a real person. But, I can't complain too much as I'm part of the society myself - so in some way I've probably helped to create it. It's a result of our cumulative actions over time. But, I guess I'm going down the "constitutional democracy" road here.

    I'm a little unclear though, on the meat of your post. On one hand, I would say, "of course the people should be able to shape their own city! If they aren't going to shape it, who is? Someone from the outside?" So, I'd almost say that a city should be "totally malleable" to the lifestyles of its citizens - but cumulatively. In other words, I live in a city, but I myself cannot (and should not be able to) go outside and decide I want to reorganize the streets to my own liking and start reconstructing everything. Nor should I decide that I'll break a law because I don't like it. But, cumulatively, we as the citizens, should be able to do those things (make change). And being that it's cumulative, every individual within that society will be left wanting to some extent. No one person will have everything exactly the way he wants it, because everyone's ideal is just a little bit different. And we see that in practice every day - everyone complains at some point about something. If someone was fully content with their city, they'd never have a complaint.

    But, I guess what I don't understand about your question is that you want an explanation that is more specific than a constitutional democracy. How would a people or a citizenry have any power to change or shape their environment (to fit their cumulative lifestyle) if they didn't have power or input through some sort of voting system or democracy? Or is that what you're asking? Are you basically asking if there is a better system than this that has not yet been introduced in the world?
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    I've decided to continue this discussion in a new thread:
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...71#post1571971

    I'll provide a proper reply to INTPness's questions after a few others have given their input.

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    can a mathematician really be terrible at balancing their checkbook?

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    what part of the brain would make use of calculus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    what part of the brain would make use of calculus?
    The left, I believe. That and the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    what part of the brain would make use of calculus?
    The middle-frontal gyrus, Broca's area, the anterior insula (for Salience etc), pre-SMA.
    The brain is more plastic than some people realize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    can a mathematician really be terrible at balancing their checkbook?
    Yes.

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    Ooh, never seen this thread before, nice one.

    What's an INTP like when he/she is in love? Tell me all about it please. e.g. Are there stages? I would love to know what goes on inside you lovely INTP folk when you are in love. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    can a mathematician really be terrible at balancing their checkbook?
    I'm "good" at balancing my checkbook (it's not hard), I just hate doing it. I think it's a complete waste of precious minutes of my life.
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