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    Lately I have been very disappointed in the reputation of NTs (ENTJs to be specific).

    NT is not about being immature. It most certainly is not being mentally retarded. Last I heard, they almost never run in packs.

    Capability, independence, confidence, knowledge and wisdom. These are all skills that are readily available to NTs.

    Before anyone spouts off, let me say that I am NOT saying other types aren't capable of this.

    What I am looking for are moments of NT elegance. Where intellect and strategy trump immaturity and lack of sophistication. Where people actually did shit, made shit happen. NTs who don't believe being sloppy and unrefined is cool. NTs with respect.

    Got anything?

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    You'll find this "elegance" in NTJs much more readily than in NTPs. NTJs will bother with wearing Armani suits to become CEOs of huge corporations. NTPs will show up to work pantsless and ruin their chances at ever finding their way to the top.

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    Yeah, really.

    But one time, I actually planned out whole conversation, I said everything I had planned. It was almost perfect.

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    I don't know how helpful this is, but speaking for myself and from what I know of the NTJs in my life, we definitely have the capability to appear "elegant," but it takes a considerable about of conscious effort. Usually when I make a real effort to appear elegant or sophisticated in a relationship with someone, it all works well for a while, until I get on a rant about something or another and blow my "cool" cover. Not to say that I'm naturally devoid of any grace, but I think it's something NTJs generally need to put real effort into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    NTs who don't believe being sloppy and unrefined is cool. NTs with respect.
    Sloppy and unrefined is NOT cool.

    but sometimes fun... which is why I have FRIENDS...

    I understand that its always good to dress well, and act civil. You never know what opportunity you'll run into.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miserable View Post
    But one time, I actually planned out whole conversation, I said everything I had planned. It was almost perfect.
    I've totally done that before. It was AMAZING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    You'll find this "elegance" in NTJs much more readily than in NTPs. NTJs will bother with wearing Armani suits to become CEOs of huge corporations. NTPs will show up to work pantsless and ruin their chances at ever finding their way to the top.
    I thought she wasn't referring to external elegance (clothing, etc.), but more to "internal" elegance: eloquence, coherence of opinions, cultural refinment basically.

    Anyway, speaking for myself, I kind of hate the concept of elegance and refinement in clothing. The (extremely rare) times I've dressed up with "business suits" (ugh) for a peculiar event (barring sporting events - dressing up in a nice sporting suit is uber cool) I've felt like I was selling my soul. I think I can do a good job even without conforming to some stupid external standard of looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    You'll find this "elegance" in NTJs much more readily than in NTPs. NTJs will bother with wearing Armani suits to become CEOs of huge corporations. NTPs will show up to work pantsless and ruin their chances at ever finding their way to the top.
    Not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I thought she wasn't referring to external elegance (clothing, etc.), but more to "internal" elegance: eloquence, coherence of opinions, cultural refinement basically.

    This one.

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    I wouldn't know how to answer your question (Got anything?), although I can say that I do try to develop cultural elegance, by learning languages, trying to connect with people from different backgrounds, etc.
    On the other hand, I find that it's something that needs to be toned down in order to communicate with many people that find those traits distressing. I still haven't decided if cultural and intellectual sophistication is something valuable, or the mental equivalent of dressing up to perfection.
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    This one.
    I wouldn't know how to answer your question (Got anything?), although I can say that I do try to develop cultural elegance, by learning languages, trying to connect with people from different backgrounds, etc.
    On the other hand, I find that it's something that needs to be toned down in order to communicate with many people that find those traits distressing. I still haven't decided if cultural and intellectual sophistication is something valuable, or the mental equivalent of dressing up to perfection.

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