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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Capability, independence, confidence, knowledge and wisdom. These are all skills that are readily available to NTs.
    I have all of that, but elegancy is in the eye of the beholder. So I doubt I have any of that though.
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    I don't know how elegant I am per se, especially privately, but in public I take up the affectations of elegance. I take the time to dress myself well, matching colors, etc. Virtually every coat I own is some kind of blazer, often very nice ones. I also have an affinity for vests and button up shirts and an aversion to shorts. I also strongly avoid sneakers (I don't wear dress shoes everyday, in fact, I wear one of two pairs of shoes every day depending on what else I'm wearing, generally some form of moderately nice slip-on). I like speaking elegantly, precisely, and with varied diction, in part because I think the English language has a lot to offer. It's almost absurd, I often unconsciously extend my ring and little finger when I drink, and always hold martini glasses and wine glasses by the stem (which is probably something I gleaned from my dad, who always told me to do this because it's the correct way to drink from any glass with a stem). I almost always hold doors and allow people (regardless of gender/attraction) to enter before me if they're right behind me, etc. Being an avid reader with a keen interest in politics and philosophy might also be a boon.

    I don't know if I'm genuinely elegant or if I just sort of unknowingly aspire to or adore it and take actions to match it to create a dignity that isn't totally natural to me.

    That said, once you get to know me, while many of these quirks remain, but I ain't exactly James Bond or Jackie O.

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    I think my elegance is limited to practicality.

    If it's to win over customers, I can present myself elegantly, no probs. But I don't wear a suit because I don't feel confident without one. I can feel confident in a lot of clothing. Maybe not crossdressing, or leather suits with masks. But any relatively normal sort of clothing would do.

    So, basicly, I am not elegant, unless I have ulterior motives and something to gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antigone girl View Post
    idk, pretty silly generalization to say ENTPS go around pantsless and have no style. The ENTPS I know are dapper dons.
    Whatever, it's totally true. All NTPs are pantsless. Always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burymecloser View Post
    Whatever, it's totally true. All NTPs are pantsless. Always.
    It was originally a sly way for us to identify one another, but I guess you yokels are finally catching on. I guess we'll have to change up.

    Whattaya think, guys? Tuxedo shirts?

    Feather boas?

    "NTP" tattoos on our foreheads?

    I'm cool with anything that isn't too garrish. Like Uggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teslashock View Post
    You'll find this "elegance" in NTJs much more readily than in NTPs. NTJs will bother with wearing Armani suits to become CEOs of huge corporations. NTPs will show up to work pantsless and ruin their chances at ever finding their way to the top.
    NTPs wont wear the suit cuz of the symbolism that goes with it. if in their minds, the suit makes them look good and the situation requires a professional outlook, the NTPs would wear it

    that said, at the workplace, we dont give a fuck about how we look, its about how we work.

    i almost dare my boss to give me anything less than an excellent. i dont give a fuck about sucking up to him or wearing a freakin suit or putting up my accomplishments on the wall...i do give a shit about the work i was hired to do. itll be second to none. how does it matter if i do it wearing flip-flops or $200 dress shoes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Lately I have been very disappointed in the reputation of NTs (ENTJs to be specific).

    NT is not about being immature. It most certainly is not being mentally retarded. Last I heard, they almost never run in packs.

    Capability, independence, confidence, knowledge and wisdom. These are all skills that are readily available to NTs.

    Before anyone spouts off, let me say that I am NOT saying other types aren't capable of this.

    What I am looking for are moments of NT elegance. Where intellect and strategy trump immaturity and lack of sophistication. Where people actually did shit, made shit happen. NTs who don't believe being sloppy and unrefined is cool. NTs with respect.

    Got anything?
    Capability, independence, confidence, knowledge and wisdom. These are all skills that are readily available to NTs.
    why do you judge only based on these? yeah, i have them. yes, i can pull any of these off anytime i want. why do i have to?

    all these qualities must have a deeper foundation rather than just to look elegant. you might be wearing a $10000 dinner jacket and might be able to impress the crowd with a quote from voltaire but all that is gonna go down the shitter when the the 10th course of the meal is served and not knowing which fork to use, you become lost and unsure of yourself.

    that said, i agree with you in that apathy will be the fall of mankind.

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    Elegance is refusal - Coco Channel
    She said that elegance wasn't about some elaborate fanciful thing. It's really about simplicity. How many items can you removed before you loose the essence? She used to suggest dressing up, then before going out the door, look in the mirror and remove one item.

    In japanese culture, the concept of wabi sabi is interesting. Or the concept of shibumi or shibui. That the basic aesthetic is really asymmetrical because nature is in essence asymmetrical.

    In the Ikea designs, there is a notion of elegance. Simple effective looks.

    In ecological coding in software engineering - there is the concept of elegant code whereby the code is simple enough to be effective yet small. In ecological coding, the performance of the code is small and without excess that it reduces the power requirement of the system, therefore reducing the carbon footprint.

    Aquaponics is elegant because there is very little that in added or wasted from the system. The water from the fish tank feed the plants and the plants purify the water back into the fish tank. Different stages are filled with bacteria to help optimize the cycle. All you need to do it check on it and eat. No chemicals, pesticides etc

    There is also mental elegance. While the body is said to consume 100W of energy, the brain consumes 20-25W of energy. Filling your mind with worries and analysis etc takes away from effective thinking and engagement in life. Depression is inefficient and that's why it doesn't feel good. Things that are efficient feel good like sex and sugar. An in general reducing chaos into a perspective or some sort of order feels good and it's efficient: elegant.

    There is elegance in warfare. There is elegance in relationships. In math, effort, movements etc.

    There's elegance in work, play and love. And there's elegance in every MBTI type. No MBTI has a monopoly or advantage in elegance.

    There's also a fundamental problem in affirming what MBTI is suppose to be without regard to it's intended purpose and original definition which is exacerbated by defending an ungrounded belief about it. To do so would incorrectly elevate MBTI into a religion. And this usually creates wars among it's sects, namely the different types as we see from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    that said, i agree with you in that apathy will be the fall of mankind.
    Apathy is perhaps only the next step.
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    Alexander Fraser Tytler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    if we were still the same society as we were 200 years ago, i would agree.

    but the advancement in technology and human awareness (literacy) have been so great in the past 100 years that unless one single event takes us back to stoneage (nuclear war), i doubt we'll be going through degeneration. individually? perhaps. but as a race, nah...we have come way to far for that.

    i think the next big thing will be quantum physics stuff which will probably lead to metaphysics. metaphysics will probably play a role in human evolution respective to development of the human brain in that we should be able to use the electric signals from the brain to talk to one another...telepathy, as it is called today.

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