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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    There was nothing wrong or out of the ordinary in the style presented by the OP. What made the thread devolve was people's past perceptions of the poster, a generally negative perception. Many of us also do not believe the poster to be the type she says she is, so when she speaks on that issue some will immediately discard what she says for feeling it lacks any credibility or true insight, and thusly, a devolving discussion is born.
    Dude, you are confused... there was everything wrong with TG's original post. She boldly stated (and repeated a few times) that her own perspective was that of all ENTJs. Not only is that not true, but even if she WAS an ENTJ, she has no business making that kind of claim. She is her own unique person with her own unique perspective and she should not irritate other ENTJs by telling them who they are. KTHX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    This is kind of an irrelevant post but...

    I only think there are, like, three or four real ENTJs who frequent this forum.



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    Why would a forum with 2000 active members only contain 3 or 4 ENTJs? What kind of weird statistical anomaly would that be?

    I think what it REALLY is is that people don't have a clue about what ENTJs are like and start throwing random types at people who display normal human traits that they don't understand that EVERYONE possesses.

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    ^Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    Dude, you are confused... there was everything wrong with TG's original post. She boldly stated (and repeated a few times) that her own perspective was that of all ENTJs. Not only is that not true, but even if she WAS an ENTJ, she has no business making that kind of claim. She is her own unique person with her own unique perspective and she should not irritate other ENTJs by telling them who they are. KTHX.
    So because I wrote in an objective perspective manner instead of using personal indicator words, my post is somehow more offensive. Yet after taking the time to walk everyone through the objective interpretation of it, it is not?

    That is my perspective. I can only talk about what I have known, observed, and personally experienced. If there was fault in the context it was up to you guys to either pose alternate views or analyze the ideas and point out contradictions.

    The whole feely thing can fucking stop now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    So because I wrote in an objective perspective manner instead of using personal indicator words, my post is somehow more offensive.
    There you go, you got it! *clap, clap, clap*

    You provided this forum with some random gem of a perspective, tried to pawn it off on the rest of us ENTJs, and then freaked out and played the victim when we disagreed. Should I start a thread saying that an ENTJ's favourite colour is green because mine is? How do you think people will react to that?

    Do us all a favour and just don't bother sharing your perspective if you can't do it in a mature way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    Oh so I guess it logically flows that a type who's primary function deals with classification and organization would not be interested in a classification system like MBTI.

    I see what you did there!
    Different types have different reasons for being more or less often interested in this stuff.

    Te needs to see a realistic external world application before accepting this sort of thing, and many ENTJs have difficulty accepting such a hypothetical system without a clearly empirical test behind it. (See every post Jaguar has ever made on type theory, for instance.)

    The ENTJs who are here are usually considering typology on an Ni basis, but as that's not the dominant function for them, Te's insistence upon quantifiable, empirical evidence usually wins out and most of them don't care. This is what I've encountered most often upon explaining typology to ENTJs--"How can I accept this without empirical evidence?"

    Note that there are even fewer ESTJs--Te+Si is even less interested because it sounds too hypothetical and can't be directly related to a lot of practically useful goals.
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    Feel the love in this thread, it puts Woodstock to shame I tell you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Feel the love in this thread, it puts Woodstock to shame I tell you!
    I enjoy it when you let your Fe out here. Sometimes I think you stick to Ni+Ti because it fits the forum standards more often, and I have a feeling you appear much more F-oriented in real life...you just talk to obnoxious NTs in their own language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    There you go, you got it! *clap, clap, clap*

    You provided this forum with some random gem of a perspective, tried to pawn it off on the rest of us ENTJs, and then freaked out and played the victim when we disagreed. Should I start a thread saying that an ENTJ's favourite colour is green because mine is? How do you think people will react to that?

    Do us all a favour and just don't bother sharing your perspective if you can't do it in a mature way.
    Are you kidding me....or at the very least blind. My arguments were in relation to Jaguar trolling and the minions that followed. I didn't pawn anything off on ENTJs this would be the victimized perspective you are speaking about.

    There are more ways to disagree than attacking the person, and btw.

    One of the things I loved most when reading the book "The Art of War," was the beauty of strategy which is just NT in general. The brute force thing that jaguar does, and also attributed to ENTJs simply isn't true.

    It is in my understanding that being ENTJ is more about openness, strategy, and effectiveness. When they bull doze over others it is often on an unconscious level, ultimately careless strategy.

    The only other thread I could liken this response with would be this one

    You may want to make note of where it was posted.

    The last point being I will not be bullied into changing my type. Many wise strategists also know when they are fighting a losing battle and do not waste resources on such inconsequential matters.

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    ^ lol I clicked on the thread you linked to, and it took all of four posts before an INFP showed up saying "SORRY A FEELER DUMPED YOU" because she has to invent emotional backstory to explain away anyone disliking her. "If you don't like me, the problem must be with YOU!" Gross.
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