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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Correction: This is how you behave.



    Correction: This is how you behave.



    Correction: This is how you behave.




    Correction: This is how you behave.

    Don't post for anyone but yourself TG.
    This is kind of what I was thinking too.

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    Jeeeesus, that's probably how YOU think thatgirl O_o
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    How is anything I said wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    The ENTJs I know IRL rarely have much of a "you" focus. They're totally capable of being around people and joining conversations, but what they talk about isn't "you". It's systems and processes, and there might be stuff in there about you or what you should do, but it's more like a corollary than anything else. As you'd expect from a Te dom.

    So I don't much recognise this people focus you've got going there ThatGirl. You sure it's not Fe?
    This thread was to shine light on the way we sum up people. To help others know why we do what we do and that it is non offensive. As you can see by rereading the post, people hold little relevance until later in our perspectives. Once they do there are different aspects as to how we will go about interacting with them if they are a permanent fixture in our environment. Never said we couldn't hold a conversation.

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    My experiences of ENJT's tining is that they evaluate you VERY quickly, sometimes in under a minute, they decide if youa re worthy of their time/investment and then treat you according to that. I think they will evalue you a lot in the first few weeks, constantly pushing at boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    How is anything I said wrong?
    I personally don't think/speak that much about people, and/or power dynamics. I'm more interested in well-defined processes that can be modeled, which produce at least a stable distribution of results. People are too complex to fit this description. I also think it's quite dehumanizing to immediately think about "how can he-she contribute to what I'm doing" wrt people. I mean, there's also friendly interaction, and stuff. Although, in an anglo-saxon culture this part could be less emphasized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    This thread was to shine light on the way we sum up people. To help others know why we do what we do and that it is non offensive. As you can see by rereading the post, people hold little relevance until later in our perspectives. Once they do there are different aspects as to how we will go about interacting with them if they are a permanent fixture in our environment. Never said we couldn't hold a conversation.
    As we NTJs know, by virtue of Ni blobbiness and Te privileging efficiency over (complete) accuracy, words and phrases are simple markers for more complex, widely connected bundles of ideas. I wouldn't thus wish to suggest that when I said ENTJs can have conversations that I meant... ENTJs can have conversations. Are you sure that's not Ti you're using there, being specific and exacting about meaning and assertion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post

    I love the freedom to explore as I see fit without having the standards of accountability. For instance while I may plan the primiter when I go out, I leave enough room in the middle for complete freedom of action. I am usually the life of the party, or you cant find me while I bounce around from person to person to see what makes them tick.
    On Singer/ Loomis's personality inventory, they use a hypothetical party scenario.
    The answer which correlates with Ne, is someone who goes from person to person at a party since they can't stay focused on a single person for a long period of time.

    The "freedom to explore without accountability" and the "bouncing around from person to person" is more likely to be ENTP, not ENTJ.


    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post

    I am very easy going if I don't have to get close to you. I am known for being wierd, creative, and "larger than life", motivated, dominating, not trustworthy, funny, not afraid to look like an idiot, objective, and easy going. I can't spell to save my life and I am not a linear thinker. I hate paper work.
    Not exactly what one finds when they read a profile of an ENTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    As we NTJs know, by virtue of Ni blobbiness and Te privileging efficiency over (complete) accuracy, words and phrases are simple markers for more complex, widely connected bundles of ideas. I wouldn't thus wish to suggest that when I said ENTJs can have conversations that I meant... ENTJs can have conversations. Are you sure that's not Ti you're using there, being specific and exacting about meaning and assertion?
    No, accurately speaking I am saying that yes, ENTJs are friendly and able to engage in social aspects. This is when people are neutral. The interactions are neutral. We take no personal stance on our opinion of you. Essentially you don't really matter. I went on to elaborate once the cost/benefit assessments form during the integration of dynamics. For instance if we have to work with you, or are looking into a personal relationship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    On Singer/ Loomis's personality inventory, they use a hypothetical party scenario.
    The answer which correlates with Ne, is someone who goes from person to person at a party since they can't stay focused on a single person for a long period of time.

    The "freedom to explore without accountability" and the "bouncing around from person to person" is more likely to be ENTP, not ENTJ.


    Not exactly what one finds when they read a profile of an ENTJ.
    Or just really good at knowing what makes people tick. Just because I am well rounded does not mean I am not an ENTJ. On the contrary, the fact that I have utilized my knowledge to build up areas of capability in multiple facets is a greater testimony to my type. I could give you a run down of my entire life history if it would satisfy your need to make sense of my type but it is a waste of time. The same as continuing to quote perspectives from the past as though one were permanently held accountable.

    And to the latter statement, that is just smart. Planning ahead so that no matter what happens or if anything goes wrong, your perimeters are covered and nothing receives consequence.

    And to FDG just because I have a greater awareness of my own actions and thoughts does not mean they aren't accurate to the type. I understand that my understanding is a little unpresidented but I am sure if you pay more attention you will notice its accuracy. It is not dehumanizing to think in this way, which was the basis of the post in the first place, nothing personal. It is simply a matter of cost benefit interpersonal communications. Which everyone filters, in on way or another.

    At any rate, this thread is not about me, but ENTJs in general. Feel free anyone to express your own perspectives for comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    This is when people are neutral. The interactions are neutral. We take no personal stance on our opinion of you. Essentially you don't really matter.
    There is no "we." It is you who thinks like that. Get it through your head.

    Just because I am well rounded does not mean I am not an ENTJ.
    Your posts suggest anything but "well-roundedness."

    I could give you a run down of my entire life history if it would satisfy your need to make sense of my type
    I've read everything I need to read, TG.
    There is no Te-Ni-Se-Fi going on with you in any order. None.
    The fact that you can't see it is amusing, as well as revealing.

    At any rate, this thread is not about me, but ENTJs in general. Feel free anyone to express your own perspectives for comparison.
    Quite the contrary.

    You made it all about you when you took it upon yourself to start a thread that has nothing to do with ENTJs.
    This thread has to do with you, and how you think and behave.

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