[NT] Ts: Why don't feelings matter?

[Fluffywolf]

Feelings don't materialize, right?

 

[Virtual ghost]

Because nothing does.

 

[INTP]

they do matter, if there is reason for them

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nice ava

 

[Jaguar]

Epic Ne fail. I think I understand now: Te is incapable of inductive reasoning. Wow. That explains an awful lot.

Epic Ni Fail. I think I understand now: Ne is incapable of interpreting the underlying meaning of anything. That explains an awful lot.

 

[NewEra]

To me, feelings are confusing as heck. I don't know if I'd say they "don't matter" but they're just perplexing. I usually try to avoid situations which are feelings-oriented.

I think my Dad is a T (ISTJ I think) he is inappropriate and offensive all the time but when he should be offensive (when being pestered by telemarketers etc.) all of a sudden he is Mr Politeness, what's the deal with that?

There's a very simple answer for this. He's trying to find out some information or get some thing from them, so he plays the polite card so they'll give him as much help as possible. It only makes sense.

 

[tinkerbell]

Feelings matter, they matter a lot, but there is no point in everyone feeling great about a decision, if the decision doesn't do what it needs to do....

Functionally something needs to work, there is no point buying a TV that doens't meet peoples functional needs, just because 8 out of 9 people say they feel the other one is prettier... or has a better vibe... it wont work...

So ultimately T types make decisions base on fit for purpose, before the warm and fuzzies...

The downside is that if the T type hasn't make people warm enough the fuzzie types will reject the fit for purpose... HOWEVER no one likes change and they will get use to it in the long run...

Balance/consideration

 

[JustHer]

Why don't feelings matter?

Because you touch yourself at night.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Te is incapable of inductive reasoning.

The logical validity of inductive reasoning is disputable anyway.

 

[simulatedworld]

Epic Ni Fail. I think I understand now: Ne is incapable of interpreting the underlying meaning of anything. That explains an awful lot.

Well, despite the "personal jabs removed" from this post, you're probably right. NTPs try to rely on Ti for that, with kind of mixed results.

 

[Thalassa]

We're discussing the reasons for it, not the behavior itself. Nobody ever said Thinkers as a whole are less selfish than Feelers, just that Thinkers are less selfish on an emotional basis.

Then we agree.

 

[Totenkindly]

There's a very simple answer for this. He's trying to find out some information or get some thing from them, so he plays the polite card so they'll give him as much help as possible. It only makes sense.

I think Berens' speed-reading book discusses TP people and how they can mirror FJs because all use Fe. However, FJs use it directly in its primary role, while TPs use Fe in the pursuit of their T-directed goals, i.e, Fe is a tool to smooth out the rest. (This is why TP salesmen tend to be good at Fe and know how to "make the connection.")

Of course, the OP has claimed the dad is TJ. But the gist holds. T's can use F skills to implement their T goals, just as F use T devices to implement their F goals.

 

[Jaguar]

Well, despite the "personal jabs removed" from this post, you're probably right. NTPs try to rely on Ti for that, with kind of mixed results.

My comment to you was nothing compared to the emotional meltdown of another member.
You are late to the party.

 

[NewEra]

I think my Dad is a T (ISTJ I think) he is inappropriate and offensive all the time but when he should be offensive (when being pestered by telemarketers etc.) all of a sudden he is Mr Politeness, what's the deal with that?

There's a very simple answer for this. He's trying to find out some information or get some thing from them, so he plays the polite card so they'll give him as much help as possible. It only makes sense.

I think Berens' speed-reading book discusses TP people and how they can mirror FJs because all use Fe. However, FJs use it directly in its primary role, while TPs use Fe in the pursuit of their T-directed goals, i.e, Fe is a tool to smooth out the rest. (This is why TP salesmen tend to be good at Fe and know how to "make the connection.")

Of course, the OP has claimed the dad is TJ. But the gist holds. T's can use F skills to implement their T goals, just as F use T devices to implement their F goals.

Precisely. I do what the OP's dad does (playing the polite card on the phone) all the time for my own benefit.

 

[tinkerbell]

Why don't feelings matter?

Because you touch yourself at night.

because if you make the right T decision, the functional choice, but have riled the F's then they will boycot it, besides, haven't you evr bought something that works really well but the aestetic sulked.... it promostes dissatisfaction.

getting a blance between the functional and emotional decision making helps gets your solution to be fully used

 

[teslashock]

The logical validity of inductive reasoning is disputable anyway.

Thanks Hume. I thought you died years ago.

Luckily induction still works, despite its "logical validity." Without our ability for inductive reasoning, there'd be no science. You should be thanking god right now for the fact that nature isn't governed by a priori logical principles, or else you'd probably be dead from smallpox by now.

 

[PeaceBaby]

This is just like fishing - just need the right bait I suppose.

Everybody in here needs a hug; come on now, group hug!

 

[Amargith]

 

[Mad Hatter]

Thanks Hume. I thought you died years ago.

Luckily induction still works, despite its "logical validity." Without our ability for inductive reasoning, there'd be no science. You should be thanking god right now for the fact that nature isn't governed by a priori logical principles, or else you'd probably be dead from smallpox by now.

Agreed, maybe then:
Disputable, not nonexistent. Without it, few things ever would get done.
It's just that there is always a preliminary quality to it.

 

[teslashock]

This is just like fishing - just need the right bait I suppose.

Everybody in here needs a hug; come on now, group hug!

What more could you expect from a thread aimed at responses from Ts than for a bunch of Fs to come in and tell us we all need hugs?

 

[Quinlan]

But the whitenoise is what makes life worth living!