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    Default I Do Not Hate The World.

    I just.... don't really care about it.

    I was a semi-famous musician once, a couple of years back. I enjoyed a somewhat healthy career; the lifestyle, the media hoopla. the groupies, the chart-topping hits. For five years, I was on Cloud 9.

    Life was good.

    Until the day I stopped caring. And I quit my job as a musician, by choice.

    I don't know what triggered it. Perhaps it was the realization that despite being surrounded by people, I still felt alone. Not alone in the lonely sense - I do not feel lonely, not in the emotional sense (ugh) - but alone with the realization that we are ALL inherently alone. I see human nature for what it most oftentimes is: hypocritical and self-serving. I know this does not necessarily apply to EVERY single individual of the human race, but it DOES apply to the majority - myself included.

    I'm not cynical or jaded, unwelcoming or hostile towards the idea of love. I most definitely do not feel any outright anger at love, nor am I recovering from any relationship. Love, in its entirety, just doesn't seem to move me anymore.

    I WANT to get rid of my indifference towards such things, my indifference towards people who FEEL, who put weight into their emotions. But I can't.

    Do any of you have a quick-fix strategy to help me overcome my annoying nonchalance towards feeling types? My general 'couldn't care less' attitude towards the human race -- myself included?

    I just wanted to know: Do INTPs normally go through such phases in their lives? Are we more prone to this than various other types? I know some cope with this better, but it is quite maddening to me.

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    That's the thing. I'm not actually depressed. I do not feel anxiety, I do not hate the world or the people in it. I am not suicidal, I don't want to kill myself, I don't feel threatened or invalid.

    I just seem to be going through this phase of simply not caring about the things around me the way I used to. There's a sense of pointlessness about it all, even though I know full well that some things do have a point to them - seemingly so. Like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    I look at the people around me who are older, perhaps wiser, accomplished in their careers, etc, and I don't see a point to it. In the end, we'll all die, buried or incinerated, and all our tangible accomplishments washed away with the memory of our existence. It's the same for so many people: You work, you start a family, you grow old, you die. In between, you try to fill life with memories and experiences to make it all seem worth the while.

    We, as human beings, are self-important, and we're self-important because we were 'blessed' with intellect; an awareness of our existence.

    But being aware of one's existence does not make that existence validated. We feed ourselves with purposes of living, reasons to believe that our individuality is unique and beautiful. But are we really?

    That's what I struggle with daily. And I don't know why. I don't feel depressed about it, just despondent and... just being.

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    ...but the world hates you!











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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    ...but the world hates you!










    Witty. I'm completely floored by you! (Insert a feigned look of approval with a sarcastic roll of eyes)

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    Is it possible that your outlook is caused by your depression and not the other way around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Is it possible that your outlook is caused by your depression and not the other way around?
    Finally, someone who got my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Is it possible that your outlook is caused by your depression and not the other way around?
    That's the thing. I'm not actually depressed. I do not feel anxiety, I do not hate the world or the people in it. I am not suicidal, I don't want to kill myself, I don't feel threatened or invalid.

    I just seem to be going through this phase of simply not caring about the things around me the way I used to. There's a sense of pointlessness about it all, even though I know full well that some things do have a point to them - seemingly so. Like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    I look at the people around me who are older, perhaps wiser, accomplished in their careers, etc, and I don't see a point to it. In the end, we'll all die, buried or incinerated, and all our tangible accomplishments washed away with the memory of our existence. It's the same for so many people: You work, you start a family, you grow old, you die. In between, you try to fill life with memories and experiences to make it all seem worth the while.

    We, as human beings, are self-important, and we're self-important because we were 'blessed' with intellect; an awareness of our existence.

    But being aware of one's existence does not make that existence validated. We feed ourselves with purposes of living, reasons to believe that our individuality is unique and beautiful. But are we really?

    That's what I struggle with daily. And I don't know why. I don't feel depressed about it, just despondent and... just being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Finally, someone who got my point.
    My apologies to you, furry little thingamajig.
    I was in a cranky mood earlier (before I took a nice short nap an hour ago) and must apologize for responding with sarcasm towards you. You are a cute little thingamajig, and no one should ever dare try to eat you!

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    I don't think life has a point either. But I find this idea liberating.
    I have a vagina.


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    There once was a guy who swore he'd never ever buy a car. After all, he reasoned, all cars eventually break down and fail on their owners, and usually at the worst possible time. They're just too expensive, too much effort and nothing but disappointment.

    He knows what he's talking about. He test-drove many cars in the past. He's witnessed many of his ignorant friends get excited about their new purchases, and then succumb to heartbreak as their tires burst, engines stalled and carburetors failed. Those who bothered to try repairing their cars often ended up spending much more time, money and energy than they ever intended to. Some of his friends spent their life savings on a vehicle, only to spend the rest of their lives wishing they hadn't been so hasty and had instead bought what they truly wanted. In some terrifying cases, the brakes gave way and the cars were totaled in horrific crashes- killing the drivers, who had so much promise in their lives.

    "Why do people even bother with cars at all?", he often ponders, while smoking his pipe. (He knows that smoking is bad for his health- he has a nasty hacking cough, but he reasons that the pleasure is worth the pain.) Mistake after disappointment after mistake after disappointment, occasionally interspersed with tragedy and devastation! The world must be crazy, he reasons. It's a lonely place for a rational man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astroninja View Post

    We, as human beings, are self-important, and we're self-important because we were 'blessed' with intellect; an awareness of our existence.

    But being aware of one's existence does not make that existence validated. We feed ourselves with purposes of living, reasons to believe that our individuality is unique and beautiful. But are we really?
    That's what I struggle with daily. And I don't know why. I don't feel depressed about it, just despondent and... just being.
    But, if you know that your mind/intellect is the only thing that allows you to even conceive of existence and its meaning, why are you trying to look for meaning external to that? (second bolded)

    I guess, what I'm saying is, I don't understand your question given your premise.

    If our 'importance' is a manifestation of our mind, then, we're important in our mind. Why would there be a need to even question our importance beyond the mind? Like asking questions such as 'what's the point of living? are we really [important]?' [as you said, even conceiving this...is all in the mind]

    It's mind over matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by astroninja View Post
    My apologies to yo, furry little thingamajig.
    I was in a cranky mood earlier (before I took a nice short nap an hour ago) and must apologize for responding with sarcasm towards you. You are a cute little thingamajig, and no one should ever dare try to eat you!
    I'm not a thingamajig, I'm a platypus.
    <--- See pic.

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