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    Quote Originally Posted by 6.4 View Post
    Also why do we have an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market. When we can have economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members available to use?

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    It's crucial to note a distinction between truth and opinion; even though one maybe confused as to where exactly the line between them exists. An important part of intelligent discourse is to try to find where the truth is amidst opinions. However, one must avoid the error in confusing the two as being the same thing.

    Ok shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    It's crucial to note a distinction between truth and opinion; even though one maybe confused as to where exactly the line between them exists. An important part of intelligent discourse is to try to find where the truth is amidst opinions. However, one must avoid the error in confusing the two as being the same thing.

    Ok shoot.
    The only thing about that is that there is no real "objective" proof. Every human has his or her own subjective idea or interpretation of events. There is no outside force to point out where this arbitrary "line" really is, so it has and will always be debatable where it begins and where it ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    It's crucial to note a distinction between truth and opinion; even though one maybe confused as to where exactly the line between them exists. An important part of intelligent discourse is to try to find where the truth is amidst opinions. However, one must avoid the error in confusing the two as being the same thing.

    Ok shoot.
    An opinion can be disproved. Truth cannot eventually be verified.
    How about that?
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    I've also been thinking about sociopaths for a about a year now, they do fascinate me. Read this article first Damn Interesting; The Unburdened Mind

    I also remember reading somewhere that sociopaths might almost be a slightly different species to humans (this was something to do with scientist testing what sociopaths convicted of rape found attractive, and they were more attractive to seemingly healthy women, the type of women that would produce good children. Whereas non-sociopathic rapists, didn't really care how naturally attractive a woman was in order to be attracted to them).

    I think more research needs to be done on them fast, but, what if the research finds out that 1. They are indeed incurable, 2. Sociopaths breed sociopaths and are a different subspecies of humans. 3. There is a way to test for them with 100%ish accuracy.

    Then surely the government or even the entire world needs to get together and find every last one of them and remove them from the general population. What to do with them would also be an interesting debate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    It's crucial to note a distinction between truth and opinion; even though one maybe confused as to where exactly the line between them exists. An important part of intelligent discourse is to try to find where the truth is amidst opinions. However, one must avoid the error in confusing the two as being the same thing.

    Ok shoot.
    Where's the error of confusing the two arise from?
    I can think of a few reasons it can pop up:

    ethical/moral statements: Whether or not these can be taken as truth or simply opinion is in itself a matter of opinion. However we certainly don't want to hastily consider all disagreed upon positions to be purely opinion. A good rule of thumb might be to preface all moral statements with a clarification of their basis in situations where people are unaware of your personal system of ethics.
    eg. "According to the form of utilitarianism I subscribe to, the workers have been unfairly treated by the management staff."

    This statement has pretty effectively converted an opinion into an undeniable fact.

    formulating predictions as fact: "tomorrow it will rain" is simply not a possible object of knowledge.

    As an overall rule I think those statements where the cause of the statement have been accurately identified (implicitly often) can be considered truth. This is because when we receive a statement that has more of it's causal links in tact we know how to fit it in with our model of the situation. We can test when it will remain true and when it will become false. Opinions are usually presented as inherently true, without any links to external truths or falses.
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