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    Default ENTPs: Jobs during the recession

    I'm stuck.

    I've tried many well over a hundred, almost going to reach the 200 applications mark. I barely got 2 interviews out of those; Macy's and Apple Inc. I tried retails, companies, corporations from UPS to Starbucks. I even went down the corporate ladder to re-apply 3 times at McDonalds/Burger King etc. over the span of the year—and even they aren't hiring!

    Since I have been a full-time student on financial aid, I have virtually no official experience. I lost this (Fall 2009) semester due to no money and financial aid being cut, and I don't want to lose the next semester.

    I do have skills though in being a tech (hardware & software) computer aid, graphic and web designing. Better then some of the Apple guys! My people skills are not sharpened enough though.

    So, fellow ENTPs (or whoever really) what ideas do you have in mind to get this 24-year old to work? ...Besides prostitution or selling cocaine!

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    Timeless in San Francisco, California.

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    Can you contact agencies that help you look for work.
    I doubt there is 0 jobs avalible in the market, even in recession.
    Do you know why people are not hiring you and what qualifications you are missing?
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    How are you marketing yourself? I agree with cloud that there is always a job somewhere. Have you had some other people look over your resume to make sure it isn't either arrogant or wishy-washy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    I'm stuck.

    I've tried many well over a hundred, almost going to reach the 200 applications mark. I barely got 2 interviews out of those; Macy's and Apple Inc. I tried retails, companies, corporations from UPS to Starbucks. I even went down the corporate ladder to re-apply 3 times at McDonalds/Burger King etc. over the span of the year—and even they aren't hiring!

    Since I have been a full-time student on financial aid, I have virtually no official experience. I lost this (Fall 2009) semester due to no money and financial aid being cut, and I don't want to lose the next semester.

    I do have skills though in being a tech (hardware & software) computer aid, graphic and web designing. Better then some of the Apple guys! My people skills are not sharpened enough though.

    So, fellow ENTPs (or whoever really) what ideas do you have in mind to get this 24-year old to work? ...Besides prostitution or selling cocaine!

    Sincerely,

    Timeless in San Francisco, California.
    If you are that hard up then you might want to consider working for cash side jobs. Clean houses, detail cars, do light landscaping, fix people's PCs at their house, teach computer classes, etc.

    For 3 years I worked full time as a software business analyst and worked the following side jobs: (1) waited tables at a BBQ place 15 hours per week, (2) Cleaned 2 people's houses every other weekend, (3) DJ'd at a local bar, (4) light landscaping (bush/tree/planting, mulching, etc.) All these were cash jobs, and I needed the money as I had two young kids at home with their Mommy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Can you contact agencies that help you look for work.
    I doubt there is 0 jobs avalible in the market, even in recession.
    Do you know why people are not hiring you and what qualifications you are missing?
    I think it's because have zero customer service experience, retail experience, people experience, or plain lo' experience in general.

    As for qualifications and what I think I'm missing; probably the heavy duty flash-based, or coding skills that most web developers have. That I don't have yet, but I still feel pretty confident one what I can do; besides I learned all this when I was a kid out of curiosity!

    Check this out, I did this site for the family: Café Argüello

    I just didn't make the entire website, I hand-took all the pictures, made the logo, menu, and event templates from scratch, and on top of that provided my own input for marketing and advertising campaigns. That site actually got voted most visually appealing twice by different editors. Sadly the restaurant has shut down (2000-2009).

    Yes, that's on my resume.

    P.S. Thanks for the reminder about the job agency, I gotta look for one now...

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    How are you marketing yourself? I agree with cloud that there is always a job somewhere. Have you had some other people look over your resume to make sure it isn't either arrogant or wishy-washy?
    Since this has been a new field to me, the way I think I'm marketing myself is pretty simple. I don't try to come off as anything, I just be me, then again I do get a tad bit nervous when meeting managers and potential co-workers. When I'm alone that happens more often, when I'm with friends that rarely happens.

    For example, when I was at the Macy's interview, I was competing against 40 other candidates, and at the Apple store it was 30. I was expecting a one-on-one interview, but nah, I had to kill the opposition which isn't in my loving nature. Besides, I could not stand the fakeness in the air and mores be apart of that; to force it.

    Anyhow—yeah, almost all of my friends, and their friends, whom all have jobs looked over my resume. I even had this guy who worked as a hiring manager for various corporations help me tweak it.

    I improved it a lot. That's for sure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    If you are that hard up then you might want to consider working for cash side jobs. Clean houses, detail cars, do light landscaping, fix people's PCs at their house, teach computer classes, etc.

    For 3 years I worked full time as a software business analyst and worked the following side jobs: (1) waited tables at a BBQ place 15 hours per week, (2) Cleaned 2 people's houses every other weekend, (3) DJ'd at a local bar, (4) light landscaping (bush/tree/planting, mulching, etc.) All these were cash jobs, and I needed the money as I had two young kids at home with their Mommy.

    Create your own work if you can. You set your hours and you set your pay, and make it in cash.
    Yeah, I actually had that idea to start my own neighborhood tech/consulting/web start-up business. I just don't know what to actually "label" that type of business.

    I've also check out that site craigslist every now and then, but most are just gigs, I'm looking for something steady. But I don't turn them down. I give it a go when I have the chance.

    A couple of friends recommended I volunteer, I was initially resistant tot the idea at first, but I gave in and thought about it; where would I want to give my free time too? Only a few places came to mind; NASA Ames Research Center, the zoo and and probably youth-mentoring; no word from them so far...

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    Short answer: networking

    Longer answer: Write a letter to several experienced higher ups that are in the field your interested in (I'm assuming graphic and web design). Make the letter professional and don't ask them for a job. Instead say you'd like to meet for lunch and get their advice about the career, because you are just starting out. A few days after you write them, give them a call and set up the lunch if they are willing.

    During the lunch ask them questions about their career and about the field in general and what it's like in your local area. Then if ask if they know if anyone is hiring or if they know of other people that you can contact. Give them your resume if they are willing to take one. Once you get more names just keep repeating the process. Your name will be known in the local area, and you'll likely be hired before some company advertises that their looking for someone in a formal ad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    As for qualifications and what I think I'm missing; probably the heavy duty flash-based, or coding skills that most web developers have. That I don't have yet, but I still feel pretty confident one what I can do; besides I learned all this when I was a kid out of curiosity!

    Check this out, I did this site for the family: Café Argüello

    I just didn't make the entire website, I hand-took all the pictures, made the logo, menu, and event templates from scratch, and on top of that provided my own input for marketing and advertising campaigns. That site actually got voted most visually appealing twice by different editors. Sadly the restaurant has shut down (2000-2009).

    Yes, that's on my resume.
    Just one website is not enough for a portfolio. If you are going into design, you should try to make more stuff that you can show to employers. Show everything you've got, if you can take good pictures show them, if you can write show them, your talents are your ammo, use them.
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    Join the military. You'll get life experience you'll hate while your in, but will be glad when it's over. Coming from experience, the military definately made me more social...and more patient. Plus free cruises if you join the Navy, HOW GREAT IS THAT!!
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    I feel kind of guilty. I've got a couple interviews. And I'm not even seriously looking.

    I'm in E. Bay.


    Like others said, networking. Try meetup dot com. There are all types of groups there. Toastmasters is another option.

    If you apply conventionally, you'll be competing against many.Think of other ways of finding those opportunities.

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    Network. Shamelessly whore yourself out. I hate looking for jobs just as much as you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by forzen View Post
    Join the military. You'll get life experience you'll hate while your in, but will be glad when it's over. Coming from experience, the military definately made me more social...and more patient. Plus free cruises if you join the Navy, HOW GREAT IS THAT!!
    Only have to worry about that slight risk of taking a bullet to the head on some godforsaken mountain pass on the other side of the world...

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