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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
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    Can you please tell me the best way to discipline a 14 year old xNTP who is stubborn, argumentative, thinks he knows everything, smart and articulate so will argue a point even if the thinking/logic is narrow minded because he's right ??? What worked for you?
    The belt.

    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    I've tried being analytical, feely, talking about the big picture, tried the silent treatment, blackmailed him with money, grounded him and nothing so far has worked but i do get either a lovely smirk from him or verbal abuse with so many curse words he'd be an excellent sailor. The little
    Sounds like your son doesn't respect you. If he's like me, he didn't take the rules seriously at first. After the belt was applied I was miraculously focused. Unfortunately, your son is at an age where it's probably not appropriate to spank him anymore.

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    (This advice may come too late as i may just throttle him instead)
    A lecture on reality couldn't hurt, but if he doesn't respect you, he may tune you out. I would try a one-on-one direct approach, if you haven't tried that already. See my comments below as to what I mean by that.

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    Edit - Forgot to add, he is about to throw away his schooling because he thinks the teachers have too much control so he's going to prove a point by not getting a proper education.. Smart point. Bloody Idiot.
    In high-school, my Dad communicated best with rational preaching; such as, how my 'F' on a Shakespeare exam was unacceptable; how I would end up a flunky competing with riff raff at McDonalds. That probably sounds harsh, but that speech challenged me to prove him wrong. That's the type of reality I needed to hear to get motivated because I was convinced Shakespeare was boring nonsense and a waste of my precious time. It seemed like I had to over-analyze every sentence of Shakespeare’s writing at least 10 times to make any sense of it; exhausting stuff. My Dad explained it logically about how there were going to be required subjects like that, which I may never use again, but I needed to take it seriously because it was required to achieve larger goals that would be rewarding and allow me the freedom to do whatever I wanted. He was right.

    P.S., the silent treatment game doesn't work with me; I lose respect for people that play games. When it's serious business, the direct approach is the preferred approach. Leave out the emotional fillers. If he respects you, he should gladly work through issues until everyone's happy. If he continues to disrespect you, I honestly think he needs a strong father figure to lay down the law and get the respect back.

    Hopefully an ENTP guy here can shed some light on alternate solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncommonentity View Post
    Top ten reasons to befriend an ENTP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    Can you please tell me the best way to discipline a 14 year old xNTP who is stubborn, argumentative, thinks he knows everything, smart and articulate so will argue a point even if the thinking/logic is narrow minded because he's right ??? What worked for you?
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    In high-school, my Dad communicated best with rational preaching about how my 'F' on a Shakespeare exam was unacceptable; how I would end up a flunky competing with riff raff at McDonalds. That probably sounds harsh, but that speech challenged me to prove him wrong. That's the type of reality I needed to hear to get motivated because I was conviced Shakespeare was boring nonsense and a waste of my precious time. I had to over-analyze every sentence of Shakespeare’s writing at least 10 times to make any sense of it; exhausting stuff. My Dad explained it logically about how there were going to be required subjects like that, which I may never use again, but I needed to take it seriously because it was required to achieve larger goals that would be rewarding and allow me the freedom to do whatever I wanted. He was right.

    P.S., the silent treatment game doesn't work with me; I lose respect for people that play games. When it's serious business, the direct approach is the preferred approach. Leave out the emotional fillers. If he respects you, he should gladly work through issues until everyone's happy. If he continues to disrespect you, I honestly think he needs a strong father figure to lay down the law and get the respect back.

    Hopefully an ENTP guy here can shed some light on alternate solutions.
    I agree with this.

    You need to appeal to his Ti logic. At that age, he won't respect anything else. (Actually, he probably won't respect anything other than logic for at least another 20 years or so. )

    Even better if you can find a way to challenge him to prove someone wrong.

    I was going to first suggest you find a way for him to prove you wrong, but it gets dangerous if you do anything manipulative, because he'll figure it out eventually and lose respect. It has to be on the up and up.

    My condolences for having to deal with one of us at that age. My INTJ dad was always very patient and took the time to explain his reasoning exhaustively whenever we disagreed, and I really respect him for that. It made it almost impossible to rebel against him as a teenager. He NEVER said "because I said so", he always explained the logic behind his decisions as a parent. I recommend the same strategy for your ENTP kid.

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    @saslou: Failure is not an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    You need to appeal to his Ti logic. At that age, he won't respect anything else. (Actually, he probably won't respect anything other than logic for at least another 20 years or so. )


    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    I was going to first suggest you find a way for him to prove you wrong, but it gets dangerous if you do anything manipulative, because he'll figure it out eventually and lose respect. It has to be on the up and up.
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    My condolences for having to deal with one of us at that age. My INTJ dad was always very patient and took the time to explain his reasoning exhaustively whenever we disagreed, and I really respect him for that. It made it almost impossible to rebel against him as a teenager. He NEVER said "because I said so", he always explained the logic behind his decisions as a parent. I recommend the same strategy for your ENTP kid.
    Hey, that's my dad! It's like we have the same dad. What's going on here?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    Hey, that's my dad! It's like we have the same dad. What's going on here?...
    You have an awesome dad, too? Yay for awesome dads!

    Is he also INTJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncommonentity View Post
    Top ten reasons to befriend an ENTP?
    For farming purposes.
    For farming porpoises.
    For alarming purposes.
    For disarming Curtises.
    For charming mistresses.
    For forming awkwardnesses.
    For warming brown-noses.
    For enlarging...uh...you know-eses.
    For discharging notices.
    For amusing ankylosauruses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    You have an awesome dad, too? Yay for awesome dads!
    I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    Is he also INTJ?
    INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    I do.

    INTP.
    Wow, so you had even more in common with your dad than I did with mine! We were the only 2 NTs in the immediate fam. (I suspect his mom was also NT.)

    (I got my Ne/ NP spaciness from my mom. She's INFP.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    (I got my Ne/ NP spaciness from my mom. She's INFP.)
    What is your INFP Mom like? I think my Mom is INFJ, but then there are times I think she's INFP or INTJ. I see a lot of what looks like Fi. Some Fi attitudes translate as selfishness to me. Like quietly walking out of the room disturbed when she doesn't like where a conversation is going. Selfishness is not a quality I see in my Dad. My Mom is very sweet and thoughtful too; there's just something there I can't quite put my finger on, but I wish I could. I want to understand what cognitive function the behavior is associated with.

    Sometimes, she sees the simplest things that my Dad and I totally miss. I can't even describe it, it's so impressive when she does it and hilarious! Hilarious because she's so quiet and just when it looks like she's not listening, out of nowhere, she'll interrupt the discussion I'm having with my Dad and say something that can only be described as *brilliant*.

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    @saslou: no idea, I'm sorry. I rebelled against my classmates, not against my parents or teachers. I didn't like my classmates' approach to friendship (if you get good marks, you HAD TO BE socially awkward - which, of course, was a self-fulfilling statement. Except during exams ). My hubby (ESTJ) had a rough period during his teens, he doesn't talk about it that much, but I guess it looks quite like your ENTP. His dad (ENTP) yelled a lot. He said a teacher helped him to get over it, by treating him like an adult.
    I reacted on my problems at school by inventing stories in which I was popular (and, of course, in which dragons existed. Why imagining you're a popular high school student if you can be a popular dragon rider in your imagination?)... and it was my mom (ENFJ) who listened and tried to make me better at social things. My dad (ISTJ) preferred to remain out of it... he showed me how to repair a bike, instead.
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