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    Thats kind of a cynical view. Have you ever talked about this with him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Thats kind of a cynical view. Have you ever talked about this with him?
    No, because I doubt I could contain my cynicism. I'm sure he thinks it's completely justified and in service to a larger purpose, but that's why he is able to do it so well.

    It is true that many of our conversations amount to him representing a sort of traditional we-all-fit-into-the-larger-thing mindset and me representing the everyone-is-in-it-for-themselves mindset.

    You make a good point, though. I assumed he was self-consciously manipulating others to get what he wanted, but it is likely he has completely genuine motives, which I do have trouble truly understanding since I am not an organizationally minded person. I fail at existing in a group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    No, because I doubt I could contain my cynicism. I'm sure he thinks it's completely justified and in service to a larger purpose, but that's why he is able to do it so well.

    It is true that many of our conversations amount to him representing a sort of traditional we-all-fit-into-the-larger-thing mindset and me representing the everyone-is-in-it-for-themselves mindset.

    You make a good point, though. I assumed he was self-consciously manipulating others to get what he wanted, but it is likely he has completely genuine motives, which I do have trouble truly understanding since I am not an organizationally minded person. I fail at existing in a group.
    Good deal. He may not even know he's doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Good deal. He may not even know he's doing it.
    I have noticed that ENTJ's can be really good with some types of people (underlings) and yet they lack a certain facility for the finer points dealing with situations that require a lot of nuance and political maneuvering.
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    Diplomacy isn't a very common trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Diplomacy isn't a very common trait.
    Yeah, I think they're too direct for all that, which I find to be a glaring weakness. Direct is good in managers. Not always good for leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Yeah, I think they're too direct for all that, which I find to be a glaring weakness. Direct is good in managers. Not always good for leaders.
    Some of them do have diplomacy however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Some of them do have diplomacy however.
    Definitely a sort of diplomacy. I see them succeeding in a lot of places just through shear application of effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Definitely a sort of diplomacy. I see them succeeding in a lot of places just through shear application of effort.
    Damn I guess I'm gonna miss out on that then. I'm kinda lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Damn I guess I'm gonna miss out on that then. I'm kinda lazy.
    Why are you lazy?
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