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    Do you have deeper discussions with woman, who are not entp ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid and Flammable View Post
    There is a strange situation I am in now.

    I (male) met a girl, in a working situation, and I saw her one time per week. Early I recognized, she is ENTP (broad gestics, talking much about herself, just a few questions to others, sometimes shy, sometimes open, problems with planning of time, trys to compete me, and so on). The first conversation was very cool and unreserved, but even as we saw much similarities, it was nearly impossible to go deeper.
    This sounds a bit more ENFP to me. Not that I'm a representative for all female ENTPs, but I don't really talk about myself all that much unless people ask. At least in terms of personal things - if you ask me for advice on something I could go on and on and on for awhile about my experience and different methods you could do or take. I think I saw a description of ENTP's somewhere, where it said something like "Ask an ENTP for a way to make tea, and they'll not only tell you 20 different ways to make it, along with their 3 favorite methods, but different places to buy tea and what different kinds of tea are like, and what time of the day you should drink it at, and different experiences they had with the tea..." and so on.

    I also love to ask questions. I like bouncing ideas off other people. I like getting opinions from all different views. It helps me come up with a better opinion of my own, and gives me different things to consider, etc etc etc

    I only know of one other "for sure" ENTP (he took the test)...and we did quite well with insulting each other. Being friends was incredibly effortless, we watched a lot of the same movies, listened to similar music. We also had the exact same relationship issues and could talk about that. But absolutely ZERO chemistry. Although personally for me, I don't find myself having tons of chemistry with other NTs. I love them as friends, but in terms of anything "more", NFs are where it's at.
    In my defense, I am a terrible person.

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    When I hang out with other ENTPs, there is nothing left to say. It's boring.

    me: hey, I loved that film
    other: me too
    me: I was impressed by the...
    other: ...low key lighting?
    me: Yeah. And the...
    other: set design?
    me: yeah. (crickets)
    other: The other day I came up with an idea about turbojets.
    me: Oh, you mean about using a helium compressor?
    other: yeah. (crickets)

    then dead silence as we stare at each other blankly.

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    My best friend is an entp, and sometimes we have really cool talks but it's like, exchanging data with somebody who's coded the same way as I am, I enjoy difference, not similarity.

    So yeah, I love the guy and I'd do anything for him. But yeah, no chemistry (as in reaction) but just compatibility.It's sort of a 'safe place' and i'm not a huge fan oif safe places
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Do you have deeper discussions with woman, who are not entp ?
    Yeah, often. Especially with ENFJs, INFPs and INTPs. I think, there's much more stuff to talk about. Sometimes I am very direct in my questions, the ENTPs avoid, what others would talk about. It's complicated, I react on same way. Maybe we conditioned each other not to ask. Refusal is taken very personally.

    @jenocyde:
    Yeah, that were some experiences in past. Agreement kills discussion, and discussion would be fun.

    @bowie & thinkerbell:
    Thanks for the insight. She seems to be ENTP.

    How do you think about the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid and Flammable View Post
    In working situations she sometimes seems reserved, the contact to the work-mates is small and reduced to work-situations. In the pauses she's just reading something, but really gets active, if someone is talking to her. I know this from my own situation, some months ago. How can I interprete it?

    There's an fact, which could be important to know more about possible reactions: My own role in the group is the funny, warm, talkative and open-minded guy. Attention from others are there. How is the reaction of a female ENTP, when a male ENTP has more influence? Adoration or antipathy? Offensiveness oder defensiveness?

    And is there any strategy to open the contact again? Maybe strange idea: What about telling her the interest directly? And another strange idea: What about telling her about herself, about the situation, that ENTPs sometimes gets very introverted and reserved in group situations?

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    Okay, maybe some cool interesting facts. First I hope it's over now. Second I know, she's ENFP. That was a misconception of mine, thinking she is ENTP, because I believed, that just ENTPs don't see, how their actions affect the world. Truely it's the same with ENFPs.

    Well, we took a MBTI-test (in a terrible german language, buah ) in a seminar, I talked to her, asking which type she was, ENFP, saying, that I thought, it was another. Quick break. Later, on the way home she asked, what I thought, I said ENTP, and explained, what I recognized: The strong competition. Her answer: It wasn't in her conscience, and she said about herself, that she isn't sensitive enough to see that.

    Now the most facts are clear. For example, that average ENFPs are really not so empathic I thought. And that all the things, which challenged my Fe, are meaningless and unimportant. The last conversation brought the rapport, I searched. And maybe now that's the end of the unfortunate situation, my mind works with since the first meeting.

    Thank you for advices. The next ENTP comes cerntainly

    And, reflecting this: Maybe INFJs are really better than ENFPs
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    When I hang out with other ENTPs, there is nothing left to say. It's boring.

    me: hey, I loved that film
    other: me too
    me: I was impressed by the...
    other: ...low key lighting?
    me: Yeah. And the...
    other: set design?
    me: yeah. (crickets)
    other: The other day I came up with an idea about turbojets.
    me: Oh, you mean about using a helium compressor?
    other: yeah. (crickets)

    then dead silence as we stare at each other blankly.
    Yeah. Me too. I agree. (crickets)

    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid and Flammable View Post
    Now the most facts are clear. For example, that average ENFPs are really not so empathic I thought. And that all the things, which challenged my Fe, are meaningless and unimportant. The last conversation brought the rapport, I searched. And maybe now that's the end of the unfortunate situation, my mind works with since the first meeting.

    Thank you for advices. The next ENTP comes cerntainly

    And, reflecting this: Maybe INFJs are really better than ENFPs
    I think ENFP's are often pretty narcissistic. Sorta like ENTP's. The saving grace, I think, of the ENTP is they are likely less subjective.
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    In regards to the apparently "very delicate" situation that occurs between two ENTP's when they meet and become socially active, I am not sure whether I am stoked or sad in the fact that I (as far as I know) have never developed a relationship with an another ENTP.

    Yes, I have been introduced and briefly struck up conversation with the odd ENTP...but much like the OP, there is this strange sense of (for lack of a better term) "white lying" happening or malicious deceit. We both appear to be rather genuine and interested in the conversation, but it really all seems false..as If we were both aware of how we socially maintained ourselves. --- IF we happen to toss back Ni conversations and ideas, they would often get so zany and competitive in the sense that we were throwing witty comebacks at each others witty comebacks, that our friends (usually the ones that introduced us to each other) would get weirded out and back off. That's usually where the relationship would die.

    Or it could be that I am socially retarded. Who knows =]

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