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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowie View Post
    I could never get into the clubbing/party/rave scene. I tried it and honestly, it was just boring and repetitive to me. I got nothing out of it, and a lot of times it'd just set off some sort of social anxiety, leading me to just make cynical and sarcastic remarks about the people around me.
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    What happened with me and clubbing: I went a few times to various types of clubs and would quickly get bored. It seemed to be a lot of the same thing, over and over, and not too great the first time.

    ..And in my opinion, there's nothing that can compare to the mindset of an LSD trip. It opens up doors in your mind you didn't even know you had.
    Do you think the doors are real ones, or just ones that were created during the drug experience itself and might not exist outside of it? Do you have an example of one particular "new route" your mind took? (Just curious.)
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    I prefer to try everything at least once before eliminating it from my "what shall I do tonight?" repertoire. I've tried the whole dancing/clubbing scene in a variety of contexts, and I can't say that I'm particularly fond of spending time shakin mah bootay. I just feel so awkward in situations that require me to be physically expressive. On top of that, I find dancing pretty boring; there is no mental stimulation, and the ultimate action of hopping around on a dance floor can be rather monotonous. That's not to say that I can't get along at dance parties fairly well if there is enough alcohol running through my veins to dissolve my inhibitions. I'd still just rather spend my time elsewhere though...somewhere that leaves more room for trickery and clever antics than a crowded, dense dance floor.

    As far as drugs go, I've experimented a bit with pot and shrooms, both of which I enjoy. I would try others too (namely acid and salvia), but I just haven't gotten around to that. Drugs let me view the world from a different light, and that's always refreshing, and as far as I know, there are no serious long-term physiological consequences that come about as a result of letting these chemicals into my body, so why not give it a go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    I'm very interested to know what other NTs make of going out and dancing to loud music in any atmosphere, and/or taking/experimenting with recreational drugs in any environment. What are you opinions on these matters?
    I don't find much fun in either of them, to be frank. I think they're both rather superficial ways of enjoying yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post


    Do you think the doors are real ones, or just ones that were created during the drug experience itself and might not exist outside of it? Do you have an example of one particular "new route" your mind took? (Just curious.)

    They're absolutely real - drug induced or not. Just because you're only aware of it on the drug doesn't mean it didn't already exist; and if you create the door while on the mindset of the drug - that does not make it any less real. Aldous Huxley explains this better than I could ever hope to. I believe he called it "The Mind at Large"

    To be shaken out of the ruts of ordinary perception, to be shown for a few timeless hours the outer and inner world, not as they appear to an animal obsessed with survival or to a human being obsessed with words and notions, but as they are apprehended, directly and unconditionally, by Mind at Large this is an experience of inestimable value to everyone and especially to the intellectual.
    Shrooms mostly opened up doors of emotion and sensitivity. LSD opened up doors FOR my senses to experience, allowing thoughts to flow extremely free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    I don't find much fun in either of them, to be frank. I think they're both rather superficial ways of enjoying yourself.
    What's the deal with them being superficial?
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    I've lived this kinda high life and experimented. Now only occasional night on the town perhaps with a cocktail or two at a lively but down to earth venue.

    It was hella fun but it had its downsides and noticed many shallow elements of life and some of the friendships/relationships.

    Despite being an introvert and an intuitive I loved the spectacle the stimulation of lights and sound, the body movements, the laughter and (much later after I learned to manipulate the game: the sex). My introverted side loved (and still does) dancing and these free movements being socially acceptable in extraordinary clubs with the BOOM BOOM BOOMing outstanding sound systems. The games and the after parties, waking up on a living room couch and hearing the gurgling of a bong and smelling its smoky fragrance. These are some of my most favorite places to revisit in my imagination

    In general the memories are positive although punctuated by horrific and life threatening moments, seen aggravated criminals, pathetic millionaires, power brokers, supermodel types, hysterical comedians, gangsters, fast talking con-artists, artists/poets and musicians going crazy, zombiesh followers, the dysfunctional, groupies, victims, the falsely accused, leper messiahs and everyone in between wanting to have their walk on the wild side. With the wild side include fights, melodrama and tragifantasy.

    My advice, if you do take this route, get out at the top of the game and don't wait for the inevitable downward spiral. A lot of people crash and burn on this path so take precautions and know your life can still be fucked up to some degree or another no matter how many precautions..a choice dumbass friend can void every precaution you ever took in one night of misadventure.

    If your game, try it yet beware...it too easy to use it as a crutch to choosing life, art, spirituality and your own path. Am I glad I walked away from it yeah, would I trade away any of my experiences. No not even the painful ones.

    Would I go back? Maybe as a tourist (and within the boundaries of a tourist) but never again as a resident. Whenever I consider it I think Carlitos Way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    What's the deal with them being superficial?
    I don't understand the question.

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    Looks like a generally mixed bag then - kind of what I expected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bowie View Post
    I could never get into the clubbing/party/rave scene. I tried it and honestly, it was just boring and repetitive to me. I got nothing out of it, and a lot of times it'd just set off some sort of social anxiety, leading me to just make cynical and sarcastic remarks about the people around me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What happened with me and clubbing: I went a few times to various types of clubs and would quickly get bored. It seemed to be a lot of the same thing, over and over, and not too great the first time.
    But did you guys ever find a music scene which really grasped you; one which you liked listening to loudly and dancing to energetically (or perhaps not)?

    I've been to plenty of poor quality, unfulfilling clubs before, and I would share that point of view with you - they were the same over and over again.

    As for making remarks, that was a hobby of mine and my friend's for quite a while. We used to go to this club regularly for the sole purpose of people-watching and laughing at idiots in all their superficial nature. The music was always exactly the same, and the atmosphere never changed. The kind of nights I frequent now makes me feel pity for those single-minded, essentially quite naive people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    I don't find much fun in either of them, to be frank. I think they're both rather superficial ways of enjoying yourself.
    I think they can be superficial. However, like I said, if you find a scene that really grabs you and/or you feel an affinity with, I can promise you, it is anything but superficial. What makes something superficial is the amount of control you have to exert over yourself in what is supposed to be a free environment (which is why this rave was the best night, atmosphere-wise, I ever had. Security I must admit is a necessity for many, but for many more, who can control themselves enough so that they don't go home with a dangerous individual, or get so drunk they pass out, it is an absolute nightmare. Because of security you start acting in ways you don't really want to. Then "club culture" develops which isn't really the kind of culture you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    I've lived this kinda high life and experimented. Now only occasional night on the town perhaps with a cocktail or two at a lively but down to earth venue.

    It was hella fun but it had its downsides and noticed many shallow elements of life and some of the friendships/relationships.

    Despite being an introvert and an intuitive I loved the spectacle the stimulation of lights and sound, the body movements, the laughter and (much later after I learned to manipulate the game: the sex). My introverted side loved (and still does) dancing and these free movements being socially acceptable in extraordinary clubs with the BOOM BOOM BOOMing outstanding sound systems. The games and the after parties, waking up on a living room couch and hearing the gurgling of a bong and smelling its smoky fragrance. These are some of my most favorite places to revisit in my imagination

    In general the memories are positive although punctuated by horrific and life threatening moments, seen aggravated criminals, pathetic millionaires, power brokers, supermodel types, hysterical comedians, gangsters, fast talking con-artists, artists/poets and musicians going crazy, zombiesh followers, the dysfunctional, groupies, victims, the falsely accused, leper messiahs and everyone in between wanting to have their walk on the wild side. With the wild side include fights, melodrama and tragifantasy.

    My advice, if you do take this route, get out at the top of the game and don't wait for the inevitable downward spiral. A lot of people crash and burn on this path so take precautions and know your life can still be fucked up to some degree or another no matter how many precautions..a choice dumbass friend can void every precaution you ever took in one night of misadventure.

    If your game, try it yet beware...it too easy to use it as a crutch to choosing life, art, spirituality and your own path. Am I glad I walked away from it yeah, would I trade away any of my experiences. No not even the painful ones.

    Would I go back? Maybe as a tourist (and within the boundaries of a tourist) but never again as a resident. Whenever I consider it I think Carlitos Way.
    I like that description. That was kind of what I was looking for actually - a clubbing experience from the perspective of another NT. You gave it nicely.

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    I experimented with everything when I was a younger, more curious ENTP but like Trinity, settled on alcohol - which I like a lot, although I rarely drink.

    I love dancing and partying. Why is that non-NT behavior? Although I admit that I hate going somewhere where I am expected to dance like those big nightclubs. I prefer smaller bars and lounges where you can just catch the feeling or not, no expectations.

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    Ironically, I feel most lonely while out dancing and partying. Especially if my friends abandon me in order to mingle. That, and you don't get much intellectual stimulation. The closeness of other people is an invasion of my privacy (I'm a guy. I imagine it's worse for girls). There are frequent interruptions, like people brushing against you, so you can't even daydream properly. The music played is so formulaic that there's not much to analyze. In short, raves/clubs are my idea of hell.

    On drugs... Taking drugs is like playing with fire. Fun, exhilarating, and dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. My personal philosophy is that of harm reduction: do research before trying anything out, and make sure you have someone babysitting you. (This advice is especially applicable to alcohol, since it's so widely used and abused.)

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