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    Learning to "play the game" is an acquired skill, like driving a car in snow, or winning at poker. Think of it in those terms, and it becomes tolerable. Become good at playing the game, and you can actually work less.

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    That's not "the game". The Game is the political bullshit you pull to make sure that these little rules don't apply to you. Schmooze the superior to make sure that you've got utter job security, and make the manager get used to it.

    Oh, and all of you just lost the game.

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    "The game" is out there for a reason, and resistance is futile.

    By rejecting their game, aren't you kinda forcing them to play your game?

    Anyways, I kinda understand what you mean anyways. "The game" is there because it's convenient. It's somewhat of an average of everybody's behavior and expectations. It fits us ISTJs just as bad as it fits you ENTPs. But it's a thing we have to tolerate in a society. Fighting it is fighting the society, and fighting society is fighting everyone around you.

    What kind of game are we talking about anyways?
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    For example, you wear the suit to the interview to prove that you can put on a suit. Fail to wear the suit, and you lose at the game. You can win twice over, however, by putting on the suit and fooling your interviewer into thinking that you're a guy who wears a suit.

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    This "game", as it's being called, is basically the hoops yeu have to jump through, the ways in which yeu control yeur colleagues, the ways to prevent them from getting their own control back on yeu, the crappy little rules to follow, the ridiculous office ettiquite, and so on.

    To put it bluntly, I've never been good at playing the game. I excel at identifying the rules, and then breaking them in new and creative ways that noone's even considered before, while still maintaining the spirit of the rule, though soundly thrashing the letter of it.

    I don't honestly believe I'm really capable of playing 'by the rules' or directly within the boundries set. I bend them, stretch them, force them to be more open to interpretation, and then interpret them in ways to mean whotever I want them to mean. This annoys most of the hardcore "must do so in THIS EXACT WAY" peoples, but considering I can walk the edge well enough to keep myself theoretically within the boundries, even if being fairly well past them, they can't do much about it other than be irritated.

    Not sure how others react, but "the game" is no different than "tradition". It's pointless, inane crap with little to no purpose; it wastes time, effort and energy usually on things which have no value. Most ENTP's are heavily against tradition, especially inefficient, pointless tradition, and go out of their way to 'make it better', and ensure stomping all over the current tradition in the process to prove their way's better.

    Yeur best bet, rather than trying to play by their rules, is to study them, understand them, and play by yeur own interpretation of those rules, so yeu can still claim to be following them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ99 View Post
    The problem is due to me being a gap year student who just left school and him being a seniors manager in the company for 30 years thats kinda hard.

    Hes trying to teach me how to get by in the company all the way up to exec but the thing is while I know what he teaches is right I detest it.

    I think I should of tried to get a diffferent job!
    Could try just respectfully saying that you appreciate his input, and you do take it on board and respect his experience, but the results might not always look on the outside like they do when he acts on the same info. There's more than one way to skin a cat, etc., and you take full responsibility for any failure on your part due to not doing as he advises.

    All the same, you ought to make an effort with your appearance. That's not easy, I know, believe me. But there's a middle ground you can find between feeling stuffy and uncomfortable, and being scruffy enough that people comment and don't take you seriously.

    I wouldn't recommend most of the smart arse answers that've been suggested here. You'll just go down as an arrogant adolescent prick, and it won't scare or impress anyone.

    Once you make it to the high ranks, you'll be freer to indulge your eccentricities and they'll be indulged more. Once you've proven that there's serious ability behind it all and given a reason for people to consider your funny ways worth putting up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Could try just respectfully saying that you appreciate his input, and you do take it on board and respect his experience, but the results might not always look on the outside like they do when he acts on the same info. There's more than one way to skin a cat, etc., and you take full responsibility for any failure on your part due to not doing as he advises.

    All the same, you ought to make an effort with your appearance. That's not easy, I know, believe me. But there's a middle ground you can find between feeling stuffy and uncomfortable, and being scruffy enough that people comment and don't take you seriously.

    I wouldn't recommend most of the smart arse answers that've been suggested here. You'll just go down as an arrogant adolescent prick, and it won't scare or impress anyone.

    Once you make it to the high ranks, you'll be freer to indulge your eccentricities and they'll be indulged more. Once you've proven that there's serious ability behind it all and given a reason for people to consider your funny ways worth putting up with.
    Yeah I know its was just annoying when at a visit to see how I was getting on one of his critisms was appearance when hes never said anything about it before. He said he couldn't take to me to an exec meeting because my shirt un-ironed (which I agree is fair), I eat too often (which really annoyed me), I always rolled up my sleaves (thats all I wear suit jackets and t-shirts or long sleaved striped shirt with rolled up sleeves and a tie I mean why the hell would a senior manager care about sleeves rolles up!:steam, I don't always wear a tie (which is fair enough time to go get some funky skiny ties in topman).

    I know some of the stuff I stuff that is reasonable but some of it is just nitpicking - and my boss is known for nit picking - and all I could think at times was "I'm not a fucking sheep"

    I know I need to adapt to "the game" but I'm not sure how far to go without loosing what I have.

    Theres also my absentmindness which he blaims on tiredness mostly since when I started I fell asleep a lot. Mostly that was because I was a) getting up at 5 when I had been going to bed at 5 for the last 4 months b) starting a job while heavily involved in a musical c) him dragging me to 2 or 3 meetings a day I knew nothing about so I could get an overview.

    But most of thats stopped now I've paced myself that and discover tea and coffe ain't bad. But he blames absentminded ness on that still.
    How do you could with absentmindedness? Is there a secret to simulating Si?
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    Find the ENTP:

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    He's just out of frame next to the jackhammer.
    Whoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselephant View Post
    He's just out of frame next to the jackhammer.
    That's what I was thinking, probably working with some dynamite.


    About 'The game' . . . I usually fail at it since I'm pretty oblivious to the expectations of people around me.
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