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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yes, and I knew that you knew that I'd called you out for its idiocy.



    I think it would be easier for you to understand why it's inaccurate if you were to become more self-aware, and realize all the complexes that INTPs regularly carry with them.



    It's also something that tons of INTPs carry with them.

    And something that many INTPs misread into INTJs.
    I knew it because you always come to cry when someone says that INTJ has a weakness

    I already mentioned that everyone has complexes, complexes are the structures of our personal unconscious, if someone didnt have complexes, they would pretty much be brain dead. this is ofc obvious if you knew what a complex is, but still you come to cry about it :----DDD

    Yea, you just pretty much proved my point with this complex thing, you are starting to act totally irrational about this when i evoked some complex of yours(and how easy it was to do that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    I knew it because you always come to cry when someone says that INTJ has a weakness
    Actually, no.

    I don't raise issue when someone says INTJs have a weakness.

    In fact, I've spent a ton of time on here detailing and describing INTJ weaknesses.

    (and I have no problem when others do as well [at least not when what they say is accurate].)

    What I take issue with is when people make stupid comparisons that raise one group up, while lowering another group, when such raising/lowering is not actually reflective of reality, but is simply due to their own feelings of inferiority, and their consequent need to create such a false construction and promulgate it for little reason other than to support their own otherwise insecure, deflated ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    I already mentioned that everyone has complexes, complexes are the structures of our personal unconscious, if someone didnt have complexes, they would pretty much be brain dead. this is ofc obvious if you knew what a complex is, but still you come to cry about it :----DDD
    If you were able to reason better, you'd realize that you're not even arguing against what I said, and, as such, this is nothing more than a .

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Yea, you just pretty much proved my point with this complex thing, you are starting to act totally irrational about this when i evoked some complex of yours(and how easy it was to do that)
    Once again, no.

    You are displaying your complex, and don't even realize it.

    There's nothing irrational about what I'm doing, but you feel the need to think there is.

    (due to an inferiority complex [which even your fellow INTPs have repeatedly pointed out])

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Once again, no.

    I don't raise issue when someone says INTJs have a weakness.

    In fact, I've spent a ton of time on here detailing and describing INTJ weaknesses.

    What I take issue with is when people make stupid comparisons that raise one group up, while lowering another group, when such raising/lowering is not actually reflective of reality, but is simply due to their own feelings of inferiority, and their consequent need to create such a false construction and promulgate it for little reason more than to support their own ego.



    If you were able to reason better, you'd realize that you're not even arguing against what I said, and, as such, this is nothing more than a .



    Actually, no.

    You are displaying your complex, and don't even realize it.

    There's nothing irrational about what I'm doing, but you feel the need to think there is.

    (due to an inferiority complex [which even your fellow INTPs have repeatedly pointed out])
    you see, i was just making an objective observation, not saying that one is better than another. also while it is true that INTJs complexes create larger bias to their vision of things(both Ni and Fi work by abstracting based on complexes and archetypes, to be more exact they strive to archetype, but there is complexes between the archetype and consciousness, so the archetype will be colored by complexes when tried to access), its also true that many types do this more than INTJs(does mentioning this ease your pain?). but the idea of this topic is to compare INTJs and INTPs, not other types, therefore mentioning that is irrelevant.

    also its painfully obvious that you are misinterpreting what i said and having pretty strong bias to my words and this is exactly what i meant when i said that.

    you see introverted functions process by abstracting information that they get, this abstraction process strives to archetype, but archetype isnt something you can put in any conscious frame of mind. archetype is like higgs boson, you cant see, touch or smell it, but you can see what mass it creates and this mass is the complex to the archetype.

    its pretty obvious that you are missing some of the crucial things on terms i am using and therefore get to a wrong conclusions. but to which conclusions you get is what shows the complexes, since complexes guide the conclusions. also the fact that you are getting so offensive is a sign that there is some complex playing a big role on your thinking.

    knowing how INTJs work, me trying to argue against you makes no difference, because you have already made up your mind and taken offensive attitude, so you will defend your view no matter what sort of rational explanation and examples i will offer you. and the reason for this common INTJ behavior stems from exactly what i said and which you are trying to deny
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    you see, i was just making an objective observation...
    False.

    You made a claim.

    Not an objective observation.

    You have no evidence, other than your own internal logical schema (i.e., belief), to back it up.

    And since your internal logical schema is based on your own complexes, everything I said was true.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    ...not saying that one is better than another.
    Putting aside the fact that it was not an objective observation, this could potentially be true.

    But, knowing you and how you operate, and looking at the claim itself, to presume that there is an embedded value judgment in not to large of a leap.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    also while it is true that INTJs complexes create larger bias to their vision of things(both Ni and Fi work by abstracting based on complexes and archetypes, to be more exact they strive to archetype, but there is complexes between the archetype and consciousness, so the archetype will be colored by complexes when tried to access), its also true that many types do this more than INTJs(does mentioning this ease your pain?). but the idea of this topic is to compare INTJs and INTPs, not other types, therefore mentioning that is irrelevant.
    I don't really care what types you think do it more and do it less, cuz I don't think you have a shred of evidence to justify those claims.

    Your need to put INTPs on a pedestal (while knocking down other types), however, runs so perfectly in line with what you're claiming here that the possibility that the justification for your belief really comes down to nothing more than your own complex(es) seems highly likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    also its painfully obvious that you are misinterpreting what i said and having pretty strong bias to my words and this is exactly what i meant when i said that.
    No, not really.

    I just think you made a false claim, and have no evidence to back it up.

    It's also ironic, because it's your own complexes that have caused you to make this false, unsubstantiated claim.

    Everything you've written above and below applies to you just the same as everybody else.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    you see introverted functions process by abstracting information that they get, this abstraction process strives to archetype, but archetype isnt something you can put in any conscious frame of mind. archetype is like higgs boson, you cant see, touch or smell it, but you can see what mass it creates and this mass is the complex to the archetype.

    its pretty obvious that you are missing some of the crucial things on terms i am using and therefore get to a wrong conclusions. but to which conclusions you get is what shows the complexes, since complexes guide the conclusions. also the fact that you are getting so offensive is a sign that there is some complex playing a big role on your thinking.

    knowing how INTJs work, me trying to argue against you makes no difference, because you have already made up your mind and taken offensive attitude, so you will defend your view no matter what sort of rational explanation and examples i will offer you. and the reason for this common INTJ behavior stems from exactly what i said and which you are trying to deny
    This is all well and good, and can be true to some extent in certain areas (and likewise untrue to some extent in some), but the fact of the matter is you're not immune to these same issues, and what I called you out for was absolutely spot on.

    Start looking into your own issues a bit more, and start looking into what these have to do with you always having a bone to pick with INTJs. It's clear that you have them, and it's clear that they're the source of your behavior in this regard.

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    Just compare the two fora:

    INTP-c: Hellish chaotic place full of immature imps.

    INTJ-forum: Insane totalitarian place full of immature robots.

    It's the indisputable proof that Asperger's syndrome comes with at least two different flavours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    False.

    You made a claim.

    Not an objective observation.

    You have no evidence, other than your own internal logical schema (i.e., belief), to back it up.

    And since your internal logical schema is based on your own complexes, everything I said was true.



    Putting aside the fact that it was not an objective observation, this could potentially be true.

    But, knowing you and how you operate, and looking at the claim itself, to presume that there is an embedded value judgment in not to large of a leap.



    I don't really care what types you think do it more and do it less, cuz I don't think you have a shred of evidence to justify those claims.

    Your need to put INTPs on a pedestal (while knocking down other types), however, runs so perfectly in line with what you're claiming here that the possibility that the justification for your belief really comes down to nothing more than your own complex(es) seems highly likely.



    No, not really.

    I just think you made a false claim, and have no evidence to back it up.

    It's also ironic, because it's your own complexes that have caused you to make this false, unsubstantiated claim.

    Everything you've written above and below applies to you just the same as everybody else.



    This is all well and good, and can be true to some extent in certain areas (and likewise untrue to some extent in some), but the fact of the matter is you're not immune to these same issues, and what I called you out for was absolutely spot on.

    Start looking into your own issues a bit more, and start looking into what these have to do with you always having a bone to pick with INTJs. It's clear that you have them, and it's clear that they're the source of your behavior in this regard.
    i said that everyone has complexes and they create bias to everyones thought

    Quote Originally Posted by wiki
    A cognitive bias is the human tendency to make systematic decisions in certain circumstances based on cognitive factors rather than evidence.
    just that INTJs tend to have more biases than INTPs in general when it comes to .

    now you are talking about me thinking that im superior and thinking that i dont have any biases. how is what you are saying not based on a cognitive bias? i mean, instead of actually taking in what i said(evidence), you based your misinterpreted view on what i said based on some subjective thoughts of yours(cognitive factors). like i already told, you already showed what i said in action and i dont really care to throw nuggets of reason at your shield, you have proven it so many times in the past that it just isnt gonna work and other INTJs have done the same so many times in similar situations that its clearly some INTJ quality(which i dont claim that INTJs couldnt get over with).

    now go cry to your mommy if you need to cry, i really dont care
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i said that everyone has complexes and they create bias to everyones thought

    just that INTJs tend to have more biases than INTPs in general when it comes to .
    When it comes to... ??

    And evidence for said claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    now you are talking about me thinking that im superior and thinking that i dont have any biases.
    False.

    Learn to read.

    Good job showing your cognitive biases, tho.

    Next step is unraveling the complexes that cause you to behave this way.


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    I think IxTPs are more defined by their complexes because they have inferior Fe, so it can come to be their shadow, an externalised trauma guiding their motions which they identify as an external agent bombarding them.

    The INTJ is more liekly to be aware of their Fi, allowing them to integrate and control it.

    this is based on 1.) What I have observed with INTPs online and 2.) The theory which I recoursed to in order to explain said observations, which correlates with them.

    The exception here is healthy IxTPs, which I see few of online, probably because of the nature of forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    I think IxTPs are more defined by their complexes because they have inferior Fe, so it can come to be their shadow, an externalised trauma guiding their motions which they identify as an external agent bombarding them.

    The INTJ is more liekly to be aware of their Fi, allowing them to integrate and control it.

    this is based on 1.) What I have observed with INTPs online and 2.) The theory which I recoursed to in order to explain said observations, which correlates with them.

    The exception here is healthy IxTPs, which I see few of online, probably because of the nature of forums.
    I would want to see a lot of really strong evidence before jumping to any conclusion about one type suffering from more complexes than any other.

    Inferior Se in INTJs, not to mention suppressed/rejected tertiary Fi, can cause all kinds of issues too.

    Every type can suffer from this shit, and I highly doubt anybody actually knows the varying extents (if they even are varying) to which they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Just compare the two fora:

    INTP-c: Hellish chaotic place full of immature imps.

    INTJ-forum: Insane totalitarian place full of immature robots.

    It's the indisputable proof that Asperger's syndrome comes with at least two different flavours...
    I'm not trying to derail this thread, but I just feel I need to clarify that neither social awkwardness nor being an introverted NT equal Asperger's. People are perfectly capable of being socially awkward, as well as an introverted NT, without being autistic.

    Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
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