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    omg it's sooooo wrong to think Ni is left-brained.

    Learn some neuropsych people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    It's "cowardly".
    To consider Ni a left-brained activity is extremely flawed. The most recent work I've seen has said that both T functions take place in the front of the left hemisphere of the brain, while both N functions take place in the front of the right hemisphere of the brain.
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    I'd like to read up on this, because this is very different from what Lenore Thompson wrote, and from all the studies I've seen on it. Can you point me to a particular source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    omg it's sooooo wrong to think Ni is left-brained.

    Learn some neuropsych people.
    Why is it wrong?

    I'm not trying to be troublesome, btw. It's a serious question.
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    Oh, just want to add that I think robopop is absolutely right about what he wrote too, but that doesn't conflict one bit with the idea that introverted intuition is a left-brained function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Why is it wrong?

    I'm not trying to be troublesome, btw. It's a serious question.
    A lot of what you hear about brain sided-ness is a myth.

    Don't have time to go into it right now, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntrovertedThinker View Post
    And so, INTJ's assume we're muddle-headed, daydreaming intellectuals who don't actually pay enough attention to facts and details. I've been called "pseudo-intellectual" by many INTJ's. INTP's, on other hand, see INTJ's as stubborn-minded and inflexible intellectuals who seem to lack intuition, or an honest intuition, preferring to narrow-mindedly stick to what makes sense and what works, left-brain style. Hence, INTJ's might tend to miss out on possible discoveries because of this.
    Hey, open-minded guy, what follows from contradiction?
    Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated, meant, "This is extremely unusual."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    A lot of what you hear about brain sided-ness is a myth.

    Don't have time to go into it right now, sorry.
    Would appreciate if you could go into this later...

    I have no solid background in neuropsych and would love to hear what you know.

    (oh wait, how could I possibly feel this way, me being an INTJ and all )

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Oh, just want to add that I think robopop is absolutely right about what he wrote too, but that doesn't conflict one bit with the idea that introverted intuition is a left-brained function.
    Even with the common conception of left-brained/right-brained-ness, Ni is not a logical function whatsoever. It is most likely rooted in both parietal lobes.

    Ni (and Ne) is about generating novel abstract information to be processed by the frontal lobes (T and F basically). It converts concrete information (for example, the output from the occipital lobe [vision center]) into a framework that the frontal lobes can process. It does not do this in a logical reasoning sense, but in an inductive, metaphorical way. I dunno, it's hard to describe without using more neuropsych language in a cognitive science framework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    A lot of what you hear about brain sided-ness is a myth.

    Don't have time to go into it right now, sorry.
    I think the problem is you're assuming i was looking at this in a Ti sort of way of it being the most sensible arrangement. While this is partially true, I'm mostly looking at empirical evidence. I'll have to find the information, but brain scans have been performed on people of known types, and Ni pretty much entirely correlates with the left-rear portion of the brain. Te is in the front. Besides that, it's well known that the corpus collosum is incapable of passing sufficient information to allow two functions on opposite sides of the brain to work together in any direct way at all. With that being the case, it would be very difficult for INTJs to utilize their intuition and thinking together at all meaningfully, assuming that Ni is a right-brained process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I'd like to read up on this, because this is very different from what Lenore Thompson wrote, and from all the studies I've seen on it. Can you point me to a particular source?
    Yeah, and from what I've read of Lenore Thomson's idea: it seems like complete bullshit.

    Try this site.

    This is their basic breakdown:





    You can find the rough correlations between their eight "mindframes" and the eight functions of Jung/MBTI here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Mindframe :: MBTI
    Proactivity :: Te
    Logic :: Ti
    Charisma :: Ne
    Insight :: Ni
    Control :: Se
    Order :: Si
    Sociability :: Fe
    Sensitivity :: Fi
    There's a lot of information on their site, if you look for it, and you can get all their tests for free (there is the original test, and the "Revelations" test, that have to do with your personal results) -- all you have to do is register with their site.

    For disclosure: I don't think the functions correlate perfectly with the mindframes, but they do seem to be similar, and there are some other differences between their setup and MBTI's (i.e., they get rid of MBTI's judging vs perceiving dichotomy and replace it with an action [extroverted] vs thinking [introverted] dichotomy). Also, as I said before, I'm no neuropsych expert, so I can't speak for the accuracy of their claims about the mindframes and their locations in the brain.

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